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General Discussion1k games are harder than 3k.

1k games are harder than 3k. in General Discussion
ubica

    Well yes, saying that every game must be 1v5'd is false. But proper games are rare cases, and most of the time even if they try to help, they end up doing the wrong things.

    However all my 1k smurfs were plagued by low behaviour score because I was retarded and also flamed/abandoned at will - i had so many accounts i did not care about abandoning one of them - until all of them got shitty behaviour score and i had to make this smurf if i ever want to play dota. So i never actually experienced good behaviour score 1k mmr - you might as well be right about that part.

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    EX Crusader player

      Until you play in 1k MMR envioriment with normal behavior score in a long run, don't talk stuff you didn't actually see.

      I assure you, regardless of them being bad, if you own few times enemy mid, communicate like a human being and forgive them for making mistakes here and there, they'll cooperate most of the time.

      Even with my behavior score of "C", I get games where people actually want to help, to the point even offlane Slardar does warding for me, because I ask him to.

      It's actually quite enjoyable expiriance playing in 1k mmr with normal behavior score, honestly.

      And as weird as it sounds, playing in 1k mmr actually helped me nail down some mechanics and learn Meepo, which I later used to grind on my main. :-)

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      ubica

        If you're being self critical, you can see every time you lost as a failed 1v5; i doubt you'd be wrong. yeah it sounds narcissistic and harsh, but its pretty much how the game sometimes is and feels like - when you got an irrelevant carry; your supports dont have/cant hit stuns/saves, nobody's placing warfs...
        youre a snowballing midlaner against 5 players focused entirely on shutting you down - you make one mistake, get picked once or twice - the game is over. Tell me that is not a 1v5 situation, im sure you see it more often than not in your smurf matches.

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        ubica

          It's especially evident when you somehow get shut down early on and then your team doesnt even bother helping you just flames - near impossible.

          Anyway, I agree playing in 1k does give some benefit, you can practice new things and even basics like how to turn a small lead into a huge lead (smth with slark etc) and so on, i've done so myself.

          And, well, I do not have the intention of playing in 1k ever again, all my accounts calibrated beyond this level when ranked seasons hit, so even if i truly wanted to i have no more suitable smurfs.

          And I would say if you actually end up winning in a 1v5 situation, even in 1k, it feels nice. Im sure you won plenty of this smurf yourself.

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          EX Crusader player

            It's especially evident when you somehow get shut down early on and then your team doesnt even bother helping you just flames - near impossible.

            Happens in higher brackets aswell. You'd be surprised to know that I actually die here and there while laning to 1ks. Xd

            Tbh I enjoy playing in 1k, it's quite relaxing most of the times.

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            ubica

              OH yeah it happens even more in closer to the high skill bracket i would say (though team help. Idk i've put increased emphasis on not dieing in laning stage so most games i will try my best and avoid deaths... sometimes ofc i fuck up as evident in my match history.

              But honestly i think flaming your midlaner for unnecessarily dieing in the midlane is not a bad thing to do and at this point i expect it from most players. I get disappointed too if my midlaner dies like a noobie, however if i support i will put full effort into saving the lane - ez commends.

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              ubica

                Anyway, regarding https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4262680931 ... yeah this is a textbook example of 1v9 not the worst one i've seen boosters win though - a bit disappointed you'd not be able to pull off a win there, but it truly is next level (compared to 1k, still uncomparable to the same situation in 4k mmr though) hard to win such 1v9s - hence the name of the topic.
                @below vertoxity - yes i agree sf is in general not the best solo-carry kind of hero, definitely not against their picks.
                I would pick sf in my real rank for sure though, i think it can be really nice when you got teammates backing you up in times of need.

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                EX Crusader player

                  It wasn't doable with SF, and I expected my team to actually at least put some effort.

                  You just can't kill Huskar with him unless you're super ahead nowdays. If I had Slark, Meepo or maybe Void, it would've been different story.

                  SF is just not good against their heroes.

                  eXcel

                    Can you let this thread die please vert + others? Boring AF now

                    SayingPleaseHelps

                      @.purgatory

                      when playing in 1k mmr i never expect for a single of my teammates to contribute towards winning the game in the slightest.
                      You do realise there are also 5 opponents there? And not a single one of them also will contribute in the same way? which means you are playing 1v1 against that one of them that is not compensated by your teammates. On average that is?

                      SayingPleaseHelps

                        Can you let this thread die please vert + others? Boring AF now

                        Well, there is this new guy going through the same stages of grief as OP. So it's gonna be boring for sure.

                        I'm willing to move onto some meaningful discussion of the MMR system and potential for its improvement if there are at least 3 other ppl who are interested in the topic. Until then flaming OP it is.

                        '96 Neve Campbell

                          Why did y’all derail our conversation about visual novels and asian food.

                          varjager

                            Because we are men and we eat meat and potatoes and read car magazines.

                            '96 Neve Campbell

                              Sounds lame

                              Muelsyse

                                oh my, this thread is amusing.

                                '96 Neve Campbell

                                  I like your steam name; can we be frens?

                                  varjager

                                    There is a english female cs:go player named Parmaviolet, did you steal her nickname?

                                    Muelsyse

                                      oh my, why not?

                                      '96 Neve Campbell

                                        There is a english female cs:go player named Parmaviolet, did you steal her nickname?
                                        You do realise Parma Violets are a really awesome brand of candy right? I got the nickname Parma cause my name is Violet and I used to always eat Parma Violets in school. It really isnt a unique name and thats the equivalent of asking anyone with a object/character inspired name if they stole their nickname lmfao

                                        varjager

                                          TYou do realise Parma Violets are a really awesome brand of candy right? I got the nickname Parma cause my name is Violet and I used to always eat Parma Violets in school. It really isnt a unique name and thats the equivalent of asking anyone with a object/character inspired name if they stole their nickname lmfao

                                          If i dont ask i dont get any answers, right?

                                          Im from Scandinavia and we produce the best candy in the world so i dont know about some random candy product in the UK.

                                          DC.MASON


                                            feelsbadman

                                            '96 Neve Campbell

                                              Im from Scandinavia and we produce the best candy in the world so i dont know about some random candy product in the UK.
                                              Ah yes, the UK, not well known for having the likes of Cadburys and Rowntrees, we know nothing about candy clearly.

                                              ooooooooooooooooooooh i did a 2B cosplay once! Love her!

                                              Muelsyse

                                                https://steamcommunity.com/id/pokemonlovers

                                                oh my, sorry for late respond, here you go.

                                                DC.MASON

                                                  we can see your steam profile from dotabuff

                                                  EX Crusader player

                                                    Very cute grill, Arin

                                                    DC.MASON

                                                      very

                                                      SayingPleaseHelps

                                                        NO BLINDFOLD, not authentic, 0/10.

                                                        DC.MASON

                                                          but her eyes are so pretty

                                                          '96 Neve Campbell

                                                            Agreed, if her eyes are stunning why should she wear a blind

                                                            SayingPleaseHelps

                                                              For authenticity of course. There is only one eye visible there, so why should obstruct another by wearing the wig?

                                                              '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                2B doesnt always wear a blinfold y'know

                                                                SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                  Look how more engaged and less obnoxious you are while arguing about this simplistic artsy matter. Maybe you are not yet adjusted to arguing about fact-based things, especially those based on such unintuitive things as statistics. Do you by any chance think that it's possible to win while gambling?

                                                                  '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                    Ive won money gambling so yes it is possible. People will tell you the house always wins but if you are a skilled player then there is no reason why you shouldnt walk away with a profit. There are people out there who have fortunes from gambling

                                                                    Feachairu

                                                                      how to gamble

                                                                      EX Crusader player

                                                                        ^

                                                                        Nice terroblade games Parma. (not joking this time)

                                                                        CS could be at least 180-200, but apart from that seems like a decent game.

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                                                                        SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                          Ive won money gambling so yes it is possible. People will tell you the house always wins but if you are a skilled player then there is no reason why you shouldnt walk away with a profit. There are people out there who have fortunes from gambling

                                                                          That is exactly my point. You let your own personal experience overshadow the obvious reality of the matter. The house always wins, because otherwise it would go bankrupt. As long as you play long enough you lose. And while it is possible for a person to win and walk away, it is unreasonable to expect it. Your DOTA situation has transitioned into "played long enough" a long time ago and a full reboot of your approach to the game is needed to change it.

                                                                          As for people who live off of gambling wins - they win from other players, therefore being the house themselves because they are that good. Nobody can win against a statistical disadvantage in a long run. Because that's the definintion of statistical disadvantage.

                                                                          TokyoTokyo

                                                                            camping.....

                                                                            EX Crusader player

                                                                              That is exactly my point. You let your own personal experience overshadow the obvious reality of the matter

                                                                              That's actually so true. If a person has their own personal experience based upon their own metrics and ideas and not objective and obvious facts, you easily see a delusional player.

                                                                              6
                                                                              6

                                                                                In 1k games you should NEVER cooparate with team.

                                                                                EX Crusader player

                                                                                  I think I just won against a booster, because he had 22 winstreak. Was hell of a match, if anyone wants to check;

                                                                                  https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4265381984

                                                                                  varjager

                                                                                    Kinda fucked up that people have to smurf in 1k bracket and fuck up games for people that still learning the basics. They "steal" mmr they already have.

                                                                                    ubica

                                                                                      i would like to congratulate the alchemist and spirit breaker, for without them this teamplay collaboration would not have happened and the booster would have continued his massacre of innocent 1ks :(
                                                                                      right?

                                                                                      EX Crusader player

                                                                                        ^

                                                                                        To be completely honest, he landed some decent stuns and SB kinda of helped to take down Booster-Huskar... SO they played their role in a win, for sure. Wasn't 1v9 if you think that's what's happened here. (they actually listened) :)

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                                                                                        Btw, I'm live now, come and watch me feed in 1k ; https://www.twitch.tv/vertoxity

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                                                                                        ubica

                                                                                          well i am not being sarcastic here, their kill participation and score clearly indicate they played their part, in a way proving your point that it's not always 1v5 in 1k - 3v5 in this case, especially in terms of tanking damage.

                                                                                          However as the bluestar guy said you should be ready to 1v5 just in case.

                                                                                          DC.MASON

                                                                                            No

                                                                                            DC.MASON

                                                                                              despite blindfolds being one of my favorite aesthetics, it would be a crime to cover those eyes

                                                                                              EX Crusader player

                                                                                                Made some progres,

                                                                                                @Purgatory

                                                                                                well i am not being sarcastic here, their kill participation and score clearly indicate they played their part, in a way proving your point that it's not always 1v5 in 1k - 3v5 in this case, especially in terms of tanking damage.

                                                                                                Exactly. It's not 1v9 for sure, and tbh, each one of them played a little part of winning against that booster, tbh.

                                                                                                And the behavior score, being almost C+ (im sure the next sumary I get c+) is also helping, because people are actually willing to help!

                                                                                                SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                                                  They "steal" mmr they already have.

                                                                                                  That is a more meaningful statement than it might seem at the first glance. The top players always having low-ranked teammates available to facilitate stealing some unearned MMR in perpetuity is one of the big problems of the current MMR system.

                                                                                                  '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                                    Nice terroblade games Parma. (not joking this time)
                                                                                                    CS could be at least 180-200, but apart from that seems like a decent game.
                                                                                                    Thanks. played a few good ranked games yesterday. the first tb game wasnt that special cause the visage did alot of work and i had a free farm lane basically but the second game was good cause i got relegated to jungle and still closed the game in under 30. I got kinda high during the pa game and then i just fucked around with pudge and techies xd

                                                                                                    Jacked

                                                                                                      has this thread devolved? or we still on the same topic?