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General Discussion1k games are harder than 3k.

1k games are harder than 3k. in General Discussion
EX Crusader player

    Not sure if this guy is a booster or just a bad smurf, but I made him abandon:

    https://www.dotabuff.com/players/896239920/matches

    Lul.

    eXcel

      Vertoxity, can you stop keeping this thread alive by proving that yes, at 4k+ you are better than shit-tier players?

      We're already aware of the fact.

      EX Crusader player

        ^

        I can't. Gotta make sure she never tells that 1k games are harder than 3k. I'll stop when I reach 3k mmr. So 1350+ more to go.

        That way she'll have a legit proof that it's her and not the others. Might aswell just quit posting here after that.

        Also shit she sells us when she says that only "6k" players are capable of getting good streaks/fast way out of 1k mmr is also triggering me.

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        DC.MASON


          c-cute

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          varjager

            @.eXceL
            hello zarf

            @Twitch.tv/vertoxity
            greetings mini cake

            @arin
            hi tiny baby man

            kuci

              @arin what the fuck

              DC.MASON

                i said CUTE

                SayingPleaseHelps

                  I do believe "cute" does not work as intended if you shout it at the top of your lungs.

                  BTW, how about you put the tracks back where they belong?

                  Feachairu

                    what the heck is that video i expect some voices but i wait for 1 minute no voice

                    then i went to min 13 and it gives ctakctakctakctak

                    '96 Neve Campbell

                      I watched that whole thing

                      DC.MASON


                        i'm looking forward to the moment in a day or two where my mental switch flips and i'll play godawfully for absolutely no reason and will be called an acc buyer in every single game

                        '96 Neve Campbell

                          Nice! I havent got a rampage in a couple weeks its pretty sad

                          ubica

                            well you did pick windranger

                            '96 Neve Campbell

                              And the next game I get matched against a morphling who is a account boosting and it completely ruined the lobby, so I lost 3 games in a row to smurfs and intentional feeders and we are all going to pretend that solo mmr is super accurate

                              SayingPleaseHelps

                                https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4268006875
                                Every game is winnable

                                I ran down mid because I pre-selected phantom assassin and the whole team deserted me.
                                Well, that looks like a contradiction doesn't it? Why are you against this behaviour when it's not you who got triggered but can't accept it in others? And why were you flaming sniper when it's clearly tiny who is ruining the game?

                                ubica

                                  i doubt even vertoxity himself honestly thinks you're not worthy of your medal because you lose some soloq.
                                  he did admit he can't boost for shit if hes not abusing meepo or slark, anyway - if he can't boost 1k without picking broken 1v9 heroes being 4700 solo mmr on main, why should you be require to be able to?

                                  SayingPleaseHelps

                                    we are all going to pretend that solo mmr is super accurate

                                    Get a grip on what statistics are, it is in the long run. There is no option for it not to be. As long as being good at the game means winning the game, every game brings your MMR closer to its "real" value.

                                    '96 Neve Campbell

                                      Well, that looks like a contradiction doesn't it? Why are you against this behaviour when it's not you who got triggered but can't accept it in others? And why were you flaming sniper when it's clearly tiny who is ruining the game?

                                      I fed cause the game was already lost and I had abusive teammates. There was a 3 way roll for mid and the tiny won it, and the sniper despite being the lowest rank out of anyone insisted on going mid so the tiny went mid and tossed him because hes also toxic. Again the game was obviously lost cause we had a double melee safe lane so I just picked wind in the hope i could pick up some solo xp from the offlane

                                      ubica

                                        yea but statistically its also impossible to win such games unless you alone have more impact than the entire enemy team; which is pretty much impossible if you're not significantly better than anyone in the match and also play a hard carry that you're also very comfortable and skilled on. Maybe if Violets improved her PA game and focused on herself entirely, she in time might be able to stomp through these games. It usually takes at least months of consistent learning to reach the level of being able to powercarry these games with ease (some cases faster).

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                                        TokyoTokyo

                                          this thread is gone viral.

                                          '96 Neve Campbell

                                            No it hasnt

                                            SayingPleaseHelps

                                              I fed cause the game was already lost and I had abusive teammates
                                              And the tiny felt the same. He thought that game where the enemy had a WK support was lost and griefed because he won the mid roll and someone else took it. You feed some, your teammates feed some. If you choose to feed in 10% of your games the behaviour score (provided it works well) will make it expected to have a feeder in every game for you.

                                              yea but statistically its also impossible to win such games
                                              It's not like you can talk your teammates down by presenting reasonable arguments.

                                              It usually takes at least months of consistent learning to reach the level of being able to powercarry
                                              You should also look up what statistics are. There is no specific skill to powercarry. You make the exact same decisions and execute on them with exact same mechanics as in your "true rating". 1ks just have no idea how to react to them and lose.

                                              EX Crusader player

                                                Every game is winnable

                                                Almost every game in your shitty 1k bracket. Won 12 out of my last 13 matches:

                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/players/359509351/matches?lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&enhance=overview

                                                Keep in mind I'm not 6k, so the story about how only immortal players are capable of winning with good consistency in your bracket doesn't really make sense.

                                                And the next game I get matched against a morphling who is a account boosting and it completely ruined the lobby, so I lost 3 games in a row to smurfs and intentional feeders and we are all going to pretend that solo mmr is super accurate

                                                I've met them in my solo q games, even shared the story about it yesterday, look it up:

                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4265381984
                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4266065782

                                                Just play good and win against them. Or, just accept the fact you'll meet some smurfs here and there and move on. It doesn't happen exclusivly, anyways. Solo MMR is super accurate, but you're also super delusional, heh. Doesn't work for you I guess cuz of reasons.

                                                I fed cause the game was already lost and I had abusive teammates

                                                You have abusive teammates because you're one of them. System matches abusive people with abusive people, ez.

                                                I see that you've kept the attidude, seems like I wasn't wrong for removing you from my friend list. Good ol' abandoning while queing up with a friend. Ez.

                                                gain the game was obviously lost cause we had a double melee safe lane so I just picked wind in the hope i could pick up some solo xp from the offlane

                                                WHAT A THINKING PROCESS! WOW! Ahaha. Acording to Parma's shrap analytical skills, right? No. The game was winable and if I was in that game with Meepo/Slark/Jugg/Void/SF or many other pos1 or 2 heroes I'd be able to win it. You just suck, girl. You are not good enough to play Meepo/Slark/SF on an advanced level needed for winning games in 1k mmr, so you pick WR hoping something magical will happen. Guess what? It won't. :D

                                                @.purgatory

                                                i doubt even vertoxity himself honestly thinks you're not worthy of your medal because you lose some soloq.

                                                She's not remotely close to Ancient 1 - so yeah, I don't coinsider her medal to be worthy. But not because she lost few games, but because I actually see her playing many times.

                                                he did admit he can't boost for shit if hes not abusing meepo or slark, anyway - if he can't boost 1k without picking broken 1v9 heroes being 4700 solo mmr on main, why should you be require to be able to?

                                                I'm not offlaner/support expert, and I don't play many pos 1 heroes, so no, that's not accurate, it just means I enjoy playing heroes I'm best at in 1k mmr.

                                                With that being said, I'm sure that I could win games there even with Jugg/Void/Antimage/Terroblade/Arc Warden/etc

                                                Just need to tryhard a bit more.

                                                ubica

                                                  Her skill to solo carry games might not be close to ancient 1, not yet; and if she gives up trying it might not ever be - that I can agree with.
                                                  But if im being honest I can't judge her for not being bothered to adjust her mental. I will never play in 1k again (just like i havent played there for no less than a year now), there is nothing more annoying than having 1k animals flame you (and in most cases they do it because of their own faults) - 10 out of 10 times i will just make a smurf, get 4-5k unranked mmr, and enjoy soloq instead of grinding hours upon hours in some cesspool of gross incompetnece. Even if i go 20/0 on slark every game, its still boring as shit coz me raping 1k noobs doesnt mean anything when im faced against competent players.

                                                  yea trying hard may win over 70% of games in 1k... but its NOT WORTH IT. I can't understand what makes you enjoy stomping 1ks on your best heroes, nobody's paying you to boost this account, so I guess it must be the vendetta with Violet that keeps you going - petty if you ask me.
                                                  Or you just want to flex on Meepo I guess, educational strim and all that.

                                                  However an argument could be made that without improving she wouldn't be able to get VHS in unranked, that is true - and I agree she has a lot of room for improvement (just like most of us including myself).

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                                                  EX Crusader player

                                                    Her skill to solo carry games might not be close to ancient 1

                                                    Her skill to play game called Dota 2 is not even close to the badge called Ancient 1. However, if you add different factors such as: being a girl, being able to get under your skin, doing some silly stuff that you might like here and there - you can quickly boost her MMR by at least 2000, haha. Xd

                                                    not yet; and if she gives up trying it might not ever be - that I can agree with

                                                    Here's what you don't understand. She never tried to improve. Get it? When I was on good terms with her, I offered her help, I offered her help many times - and I'm sure it wasn't only me. She just doesn't want any help. What she wants is approval of her validation. All you need to do is tell her: YES, holy shit, I agree! You're indeed (insert number here) MMR. I totally get you. And then she'll be happy.

                                                    But if im being honest I can't judge her for not being bothered to adjust her mental

                                                    Wrong. You can judge her, and you should. But because she's a female, and even maybe, because you're not good enough to win games in 1k MMR yourself, it's easier for you not to judge.

                                                    . I will never play in 1k again (just like i havent played there for no less than a year now), there is nothing more annoying than having 1k animals flame you - 10 out of 10 times i will just make a smurf, get 4-5k unranked mmr, and enjoy soloq instead of grinding hours upon hours in some cesspool of gross incompetnece

                                                    There's so much stuff wrong with your way of thinking. Firstly, it's in our nature to be afraid of things we are not good at or we're having hard time dealing with. But if anything, that just means you're not good enough and that you are also boarderline delusional. I use boarderline, because unlike her, you seem to be a bit more aware and I think that there's hope for you.

                                                    Now, let me tell you. The progress in Dota 2 is not linear. You being able to jump into VHS pool of 4k mmr in an unranked match doesn't mean you will be able to perform on point in 4k mmr average matches. And even if you could - in a long run, you will slowly derank. And EVEN if you don't, it still DOESN't make you a 4k mmr player.

                                                    Here's why: ranking up and climbing the ladder is actually what gives you validation of you being 4k(4k being just an example). During your road to 4k, you will gain necessary skills to be able to go past 4. Unlike when you make an account and just jump into VHS abusing the system. Because as I said - Dota 2 is not a game in which you progress linearly. It's a game in which an average of everything makes your true MMR legit.

                                                    So, you can have a player with 1k mmr last-hitting, 2.5k mmr decison making, flat 3k hero pool and, let's say, 4.5k mentality.

                                                    And he might be 3k because of all the things taken into coinsideration. He might not be as good as you when it comes to farming/lasthitting, but his decisons, his ablity to play what his team needs and the fact he's a positive mature player is also important - so therefore, he's 3k and you're 2k, for example.

                                                    Now, the best way to fix this is actually improve and watch replays, seek for help from better players/etc. The worst way to improve is pretty much thinking that you can win 70% of the 1k mmr games while me being 4k+ having 70% winrate is just silly. 20/0 on Slark , also, doesn't mean anything. Because, guess what, it's not linear progression.

                                                    but its NOT WORTH IT. I can't understand what makes you enjoy stomping 1ks, nobody's paying you to boost this account, so I guess it must be the vendetta with Violet that keeps you going - petty if you ask me.

                                                    What makes me enjoy stomping 1ks is the fact it's fun. They are bad and you can get away with things you can't in 4k mmr. Oh, and I wish someone actually paid me. I'd do it no problem. Even boost anyone's 1k mmr to 3k mmr for even the SF arcana. And to be fair, I'll agree that this shit with her is fun.

                                                    However an argument could be made that without improving she wouldn't be able to get VHS in unranked

                                                    Even tho reaching VHS in unranked is not a big deal even for 1k, in her case, she's there because her party-ranked is high, so the unmranked MMR is actually average of your both solo/party, or smt like that. not 100% sure.

                                                    But I know for a fact that ancient 1 badge is actually giving her unranked VHS.

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                                                    SayingPleaseHelps

                                                      @.purgatory

                                                      However an argument could be made that without improving she wouldn't be able to get VHS in unranked

                                                      https://imgur.com/07n9k8K

                                                      Are you just flapping your gums or smth? OP HAS NEVER BEEN IN SOLO VHS EVEN IN UNRANKED.

                                                      ubica

                                                        1st of all, i meant if she created a new account.
                                                        2nd, i can agree - i do not think she has ever tried to actually put in the work required to become a good soloq player; after all it is not exceptionally difficult to win 4-5k average games from the support role.

                                                        Personal preference in the end, its fun for me to practice invoker in 1k too, but it isnt even satisfying to demolish injokers mid on sf and being honest the toll it takes to lose once in 1k for me is not worth the 20 games ill win.

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                                                        SayingPleaseHelps

                                                          @.purgatory

                                                          also, I watched your play, you can

                                                          10 out of 10 times i will just make a smurf, get 4-5k unranked mmr
                                                          delude yourself into thinking you are 5k level as much as you want, but you are still in normal skill, and your gameplay is still jungling on your side garbage.

                                                          EX Crusader player

                                                            I'm streaming, hop in if you wanna see how 1k mmr games are super hard.

                                                            EX Crusader player

                                                              I was about to play with ParmaViolets again, but she runaway :-/

                                                              ubica

                                                                Im not claiming im of 5k level, but i can reach it in unranked but it doesnt meqn anything. If you dug through my match history youd see this smurf is from years ago and i tanked my hidden mmr by abandoning twice when i first created the account. Of course I wont get VHS on this account when my 1st 10 games put me in 1k...
                                                                cba arguing, go stomp some newbies for fun.

                                                                1k games arent so hard i just cant be bothered to play my best in 1k when i can do it in a higher rank - and while winning 1v5 can be rewarding even in 1k, and perhaps good practice - in the end its just that, practice.

                                                                In the end we are all around equal, and if Violet put in as much work into dota as Vertoxity, she might as well end up better.

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                                                                EX Crusader player

                                                                  1k games arent so hard i just cant be bothered to play my best in 1k when i can do it in a higher rank

                                                                  1k games are easy as fuck

                                                                  In the end we are all around equal, and if Violet put in as much work into dota as Vertoxity, she might as well end up better.

                                                                  Bla,bla,bla. "in the end we're equal". but if Parma puts as much work into Dota as me, she'll end up better. Lmao.

                                                                  ubica

                                                                    well yeah, the average game is in theory unlosable, provided you're the only smurf and your team is not fighting each other.

                                                                    Perhaps bad wording on my part, but considering the fact she got ancient 1 party mmr without putting in the hard work compared to your ancient 4 after a year of jerking off to cookies challenges, among other things makes me consider her potential if she did try to learn.

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                                                                    SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                      but i can reach it in unranked but it doesnt meqn anything
                                                                      So why did you mention it? To waste everyone's time? If you know that it's meaningless? That almost reminds me of someone... Oh, yeah, OP! They also bring every irrelevant little detail that has even a slightest chance of making them look better, at least for the couple of seconds the readers are processing it.

                                                                      You can't reach 5k in unranked. It's called unranked for a reason, you don't know what your rank is in unranked.

                                                                      You can just watch OP's perspective instead of judging their ability based on things that do not reflect on their ability. Even your level would be enough to see how bad they are.

                                                                      Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                                                        Perhaps bad wording on my part, but considering the fact she got ancient 1 party mmr without putting even a bit of hard work compared to your ancient 4 after a year of jerking off to cookies challenges, among other things makes me consider her potential if she did try to learn.

                                                                        This assertion is mistaken: at a given level, it's other experiences/skills that will make a difference between player A and player B.
                                                                        By spamming dota only, you limit your learning curve and cap (like changing exercises when you workout).
                                                                        A good player in starcraft II will have his macro and micro capacity much superior to someone who played only dota (f**k zerg players btw). The most intense micro pick in dota is nothing compared to the most intense micro in SCII.

                                                                        TLDR : if they both follow the same training on dota, it's their other experiences that will do the difference.

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                                                                        ubica

                                                                          5k vhs unranked is more challenging and fun than 1k ranked, thats why it matters. Even if the players dont give a hoot or are failed smurfs, its by far better, in my honest opinion, than roflstomping players without dota basics...

                                                                          if lucky and have a stack you can even 'cheat calibration' with dotaplus to get above 4k :thinking:

                                                                          also i do allow myself to fk around and some of my losses are most definitely from mental reasons such as not thinking about the match properly and thoroughly instead blaming your supp for not tping and not buying wards

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                                                                          SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                            There is no "5k unranked" it's called unranked for a reason. Learn to look up the meaning of words.

                                                                            Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                                                              There is no "5k unranked" it's called unranked for a reason. Learn to look up the meaning of words.

                                                                              Teach us please.

                                                                              PS : I fixed my keyboard.

                                                                              varjager

                                                                                This is applicable on every bracket, 1k smurfs/noobs, 2k noobs, 3k boosters/boosted/noobs, 4k boosted/smurfs/noobs.

                                                                                What i can remember from my ranked games my team has had 3 abandons while the opponent had 1. No one have the perfect teammates/draft every game. It's a grind, deal with it.

                                                                                ubica

                                                                                  true its just vhs
                                                                                  but it still has skill based matchmaking just way more loose and not public info

                                                                                  EX Crusader player

                                                                                    Indeed. Unranked has it's own MMR, it's just hidden. But the formula is different, that's for sure.

                                                                                    If you have 3k mmr solo and 4k mmr party, you will get into VHS unranked quite often, for example.

                                                                                    @ ontopic

                                                                                    Progress towards smurfing; had some rough games, but now I'm back on track and I'll try to get Crusader 4 today. Stream is still up and going so if you feel like it, pass by to say at least hello :)

                                                                                    EX Crusader player

                                                                                      Perhaps bad wording on my part, but considering the fact she got ancient 1 party mmr without putting in the hard work compared to your ancient 4 after a year of jerking off to cookies challenges, among other things makes me consider her potential if she did try to learn.

                                                                                      Even if that's true, we'll never know, because she doesn't have the attidude to do it.

                                                                                      With that being said, her being Ancient 1 with party doesn't mean much. Srsly.

                                                                                      SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                                        So what is the deal with this patch? All my favourite heroes are viable, but safelane is mostly insufferable. 3 salves on average, permanent creep aggro, all the timings as if the lane is lost. Should I join the trigger-happy mid claimants and spam PA?

                                                                                        '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                          So what is the deal with this patch? All my favourite heroes are viable, but safelane is mostly insufferable. 3 salves on average, permanent creep aggro, all the timings as if the lane is lost. Should I join the trigger-happy mid claimants and spam PA?
                                                                                          Pick PA. start with a QBlade, and 2 salves, ask for 2 tangoes and go mid

                                                                                          eXcel

                                                                                            Pick PA. start with a QBlade, and 2 salves, ask for 2 tangoes and go mid

                                                                                            Or if you want to win start with stout shield, q blade, 2 pooled tangoes, a gg branch and slippers. Courier a salve if you need it, or magic stick based on opponent. Build wraith bands and bring regen as required.

                                                                                            '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                              New day, another loss because my team are completely braindead fucking 1ks and the other team is full of smurfs. https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4268951301

                                                                                              Ive literally lost 4 solo games in a row completely as a result of intentional feeders and smurfs

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                                                                                              poggies

                                                                                                only if you lose with 800gpm and spoonfeeding in chat how to play. only then you would know true pain

                                                                                                '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                                  If you guys want to see something amazing, check out how radiant lost their ancient in this match --> 4269002845