General DiscussionTop few Invoker players

So Kappatino is Don John ? Why this guy use multi account on forum.

hes not one plays in sea and another plays us west can u stop displaying ur normal skilled autism

Lolol clearly eazy is not very bright

@Havoc

Honestly I don't give a damn about "being a bigger man" on an internet forum, fact is I already KNOW I'm better than them, whether you want to measure solo mmr , party mmr , competition, leaderboard rankings, dotabuff rankings....you name it.

Hell I found it entertaining they actually said I got outplayed by a professional player as if it meant something, or spent time making videos, that's when you know they are desperate.

The reason I even spend time anymore on this thread is to see what type of bullshit these guys can come up with as I debunk them.

Who cares which server he play, this is just looking his play on the video and what others people said in the thread. What a shame to make a smurf to play on a different servers.

Hey Eazy you totally busted me there buddy, I can't believe you found out that i created another smurf to intentionally play on another server with an extra 300 ping just to torture myself while having another computer opened and playing on my Don John account at the same time.

Please have mercy, I only wanted to find new ways to drop my MMR to your level because I want to be like you one day

Is it a thing that playing 3k MMR games will make you delusional? I smell a trend there :D

My thread is famous :D o.O

need more autism and retardness in this thread.
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Easier to cast combo with 300 ping ?

I think you are giving him too much credit for calling him 3k, normal bracket is like 2k or even lower iirc lol

I don't care about the fights between you or whatever, but why is this suspendeddota guy talking anything about invoker when he has sub 40% wr with invoker in ranked LMAO.

Dude don't disrespect my sensei man, he's a 3k who deserves 6k MMR, I'm trying to follow his advice

how I feel about both of you kids. @Grim and other guy

"nerfnow.com" epic

I had this overwhelming feeling for the right way to play Invoker.
I got carried away at some point.

For this, I apologize.

@ Don
He means being a bigger man as not sitting in this forum and repeating that ur better then this invoker players. Just moving on from this thread that will not get you anything.

Grim let's not talk about you or me for that matter trying to carry. I remember that game, and the secret is mine, no worries. I wont bust you open on DB bro for the false prophet you are.

Sell out.

I have a feeling I did something lazy and risky like 6 min midas at ancients with invoker.

Nah, lol. Was 10x worse, but I aint a narc. No worries. Enjoy the spotlight.

Melodyy,

whatchu talking about???

Grim does a lot of jungle invoker because of his wrist issues.... Dont think theres anything wrong with that

It had nothing to do with that James. His plays are fine, I respect him as a player on these forums tho, less than honest shit goes down. I'm leaving it at that.

You can pm me about it later if you're that curious.

"I had this overwhelming feeling for the right way to play Invoker.
I got carried away at some point.

For this, I apologize."

@Grim

^There is no "right" way to play invoker, I found a style that I know perfectly how to utilize it properly and I found it highly disrespectful you even started to question my skill and item build when I got to 6000 MMR with it (as of posting I'm up to 5760 again), I even have high 5ks and 6ks inquiring and crediting me for it and using it on their own.

The whole 4-4-5 criticism seems to imply that I am skilling each point at an equal pace as the game progress, which is not true it is simply a snapshot as a certain point in the game, there is reasoning behind it and I don't want to explain my thought process to someone who is clearly disrespectful.

Although there is a core skilling/item playstyle, but the REAL variation comes from the levelling order of the skills, mid-late game item choice, item purchasing order, laning style, and most IMPORTANTLY the EXECUTION, these FACTORS are all different in EVERYGAME despite the core items of Orchid and Blink being the same. You cannot get to 6000 mmr by being not adaptable and flexible, period.

I don't like how kaapuchifuck gets to repeatedly racially abuse 1.2 billion people and not get his posts removed.
seriously mods ban this jerk

Not gonna argue with you anymore Don John. It is not going anywhere.

BTW, my MMR is skyrocketing.

9 days ago, I was 4900
Today, 5218
http://dota2toplist.com/players/16952

I guess 30 MMR games was not enough to calibrate my true MMR

Nice! 5.2, finally commoner level.

Why is it that people who main just invoker are absolutely trash 3k tier with every other hero? lol

^ My huskar is 96th percentile.
Maybe thats 4.5k?

finally some peacefull cumments

Grimboy, it's not an argument when I've countered everything you said and practically made you switch topic everytime I confronted you about it. Seriously though, if this was actually a debate you would've been absolutely slaughtered for the weak arguments that you have presented.

Let's start from the beginning.

1. Grim tries to expose Don John as merely a "party stacker" and challenges anyone who exclusively plays invoker to 5500+ SOLO MMR to step upfront.

Counter:
-Don John claims that he is 5.5k+ (5700 as of posting) with leaderboard proof and shows that he was 6k too.

2. Grim claims that Don John stacked his MMR to 6000 before dropping

Counter:
-No one was known to calibrate at 6000 MMR, even America's #1 player Dragonfist was known to calibrate at 5.5k max, Don John calibrated at 5300 initially.

3. Grim discredits Don John and finds a subpar replay to claim his gameplay reflects that of a 3k

Counter:
-Don John's replay consisted of playing against 6k players
-Grim turns off match sharing, so no one can criticize his bad replays (5 games out of 1198 games that are shown are ranked, everything else is unranked)
-When confronted with a 8-11-2 of his own where he fed in a game of 5 vs 4 (with a 6k ally going 7-0), he blames it on his brother for stealing his phone and enraging him
-Don John's peak was 6000 MMR and Top 30 America, Grimorum's peak is 5200 MMR at a time where MMR is inflated (5300 used to be top 200, now 5500 is the minimum requirement)

4. Grim claims he's old and stiff and asks if Don John has seen any professional gamers at his age playing tournaments

Counter:
-Solo Ranked Queueing is not a tournament and has no relevance to professional gaming, you do not go through training camps, regular scrimmages, the fatigue of travelling, nor the pressure of winning for your country/sponsored team.

5. Grim claims that if Ferrari used Don John's item/skill build his MMR would drop as a point for argument

Counter:
-A former TI Champion and #1 ranked professional Invoker player would obviously drop if he plays like an amateur invoker, just like how if he followed Grimorum's mere 5.1k-5.2k playstyle he would be dropping EVEN MORE mmr.

6. Grimorum tries to discredit any major forms of objective skill valuations available right now (Solo MMR, Party MMR, Dotabuff hero ranking, even though Don John is superior in each of them.

Counter:
-This is quite ironic as Grimorum was emphasizing how he defeated a 5600 MMR storm mid, and also boasted his DB Rating on this forum and reddit threads, his new hero ranking, and recently his "huskar ranking percentile", so obviously he believes it holds a respectable amount of credibility, yet when confronted with evidence that Don John is superior to him in all of those categories he completely dismisses the importance of them
-Furthermore, although he implies he doesn't see MMR as something important, yet decides to show us his "skyrocketing" MMR

6. Grimorum claims Don John is selfish and "cares for no one" by playing a build that noobs cannot imitate

Counter:
-Would any High MMR or Professional player intentionally play dumb downed builds that are mainstream just so the mass can imitate them? Is it their obligation to do that?

7. Grimorum disrespects by saying "Why do you build 4 quas 4 wex, 5 exort like a 3000 MMR noob?"

Counter:
-Don John has used the same build to reach 6000 MMR and Top 30 America before, a "3000 MMR noob" would not be able to do that, otherwise using the same logic we could also call you a "2000 MMR noob"

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/184416572
^Grimorum goes 0-9-2 against my 14-0-12 Invoker despite me using the so called "3000 MMR noob build"

8. Grimorum Discredits Don John with the following comment: "You are higher MMR simply because you are younger and faster"

Counter:
-Being ineligible to achieve something you never achieved before does not give you the right to discredit someone who has achieved it.
-Can EG.Fear start discrediting TI 4 champs and say they won TI4 simply because they were injury free? Grimorum NEVER answered this
-Has there ever been an athlete who never won a championship prove himself and discredit others and gain respect at the same time by telling another champion he could've been a champ if he wasnt injured?
-Don John's chance of ever reaching 6k is 100% (because he has reached it before), it is lower than 100% for Grimorum because he never came close to reaching it

9. Don John welcomed 1 vs 1 or 5 vs 5 opportunities for Grimorum to prove himself, no response so far.

Move on Don John

I will not be repeating our arguments that go nowhere.
Quit harassing me.

I Wonder if you will keep doing this another 12 months hahaha :D you guys are so weak JESUS CHRIST!

I like how Don john brag so proudly about his mmr (he has 400 more than grimorum).

I usually don't participate in these flame threads, but damn Grim you're such an idiot for a 40 years old (or however old you are). You fired the first shots, passive-aggressively saying that Don is shit, when he countered your argument point after point, you're telling him to quit harassing you so you can look like a victim.

You've questioned that his build is a bad influence for new players. Who the fuck cares, is Dendi going to dumb down his level of play to let noobs understand them? Don isn't the one to make countless videos to ask for other people's approval. He's simply playing for his own fun, and then you and your little group of minions start to bash him. You're playing with fire, but you can't take the heat.

Grimboy, you NEVER had an argument in the first place, it was a 1 way onslaught from me countering every argument you had presented above that you had NO ANSWER for.

I actually face palmed when you bragged about your 5200 MMR, it is a subpar rating for someone who mains a hero, have you realized that MMR has been inflated since it was first introduced? You used to need 5300 MMR, now you need 5600 MMR to even reach top 200,

Also notice your irony? You do know DOTA 2 requires 100 solo games for you to be eligible for leaderboard and you're telling me your 30 smth solo games suddenly REFLECT your true rating?

For someone who pays so much attention to detail, you really dropped the balls there man.

Grimorum VS Don John:
Grim's Arguments = LOST
Solo MMR = Inferior
Party MMR = Inferior
Dotabuff Ranking = Inferior
DSR = Inferior
Grim's Competition = Inferior
1 vs 1 / 5 vs 5 Offer = Ignored
Grim's Fanbase = Normal Skill bracket/"high" skill bracket

Don't play with fire if you can't take the heat

If you want to present an argument I'm ready to address it, if you want to prove yourself against me in a 1 vs 1 or a 5 vs 5 I would gladly show that you are shit, unlike you I have my profile and matches opened.

You have everything hidden and dozens of smurfs, hell someone just said you had some less than honest shit that goes on these forums, so obviously you're an insecure sketchy guy who feels the need to lie and hide things to feel better about yourself.

Quit calling it harassment, you fired the shots first, don't give me this victim bullshit, no one buys it.

Don't you actually have anything better to do with your life?

What a huge ego you have there, dude.

Na he doesn't have a life at all. All he can do is represent his shi*ty mmr.. His just a jealous f4g.ot whose trying to get attention and fame via writing big fu*king essays on how bad grim is.. Hahha don john you not going to get fame and love as much as grim did. Go YouTube and go one of grims video and read comments and then look at yourself and think what a sad life you are in. You will surely find some haters like you but grim doesn't give a sh*t about you because he has inner confidence and you are just a show off..
Don John is probably nervous right now after reading Grims comment on how his mmr is skyrocketing.. No wonder don john is providing essays. Don John fear the Asians at least grim; he will sooner or later reach the height

..Second place is just the first place loser.
-Dale Earnhardt

TL DR Normal skill bracket

This guy got fucked by a cactus right after he was born, that's he just doesn't stop his all time shit on Playdota and Dotabuff.

hey guys did you know that now that grimorum plays ranked his invoker kda has gone straight to hell and therefore he hid his dotabuff profile?

who cares.

for all you guys know this is my #YOLO account and i'm the best invoker player in the world :D

"on the internet, no one knows you are a kyfoid"

chatweel warrior, arguing with 40 year olds, calling them "boys", you made your point in the first post i think,
yeah you are like 300 mmr higher than him, thats so fucking fab my friend.
even if grimorum is shit at invoker you look like a obnoxious little kid with no life.
who the fuck cares about you guys and your mmr...........
a 3k could learn how to play any hero from a 5k....

now im gonna shit on this thread, just cuz i can, lows

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