you have a very weird invoker item build. Invoker players like iceiceice, dendi, etc, build invoker as a nuker/caster not a dps carry; so there's no point "learning" from them if you have a completely different playstyle/build.
@shandoodle @satellizer I was using Grimourium's in game build for the Necro, so I thought why not try adding in an AC and Deso to stack with the forge spirit's armor reduction. It did work like a charm, but that's why I asked for this advice. I know it is not the best build, I can't seem to get the QW caster build to work nicely in my practice games...
and thanks Carl, at least I can download this guy's replays :)
QW-voker is really fun! I always build phase, (drums and force depends on what i need first) after that agah, then if it's a easy game i go s&y else i go hex if needed after that skadi is nice.
Sometimes mkb/crit is needed, super fun :Z
@親和性 ' FameGG.com yeah yeah I don't want to get into a debate about him ^^ I have heard all about the rumours and things, all I know is he has a nice detailed guide in game that I like to follow!
@1315 Those easy games where you go hard carry are so much lulzy fun :D but they have their time and place. I NEED to learn the caster build :/
Can anyone maybe shine light on when it is better to go QW or QE. I heard if they have a lot of mana dependent heroes like ES and Tiny it is a good idea to go QW, but not if there is a Pugna or too many arcane boots. Thoughts?
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There is no debate about Grim being over rated, it's a fact.
Cooks Invoker gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Uf18y6ljM
Grims over-edited mediocre gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy5iUEC7P6g
Just watch his games, he is the real deal. Don't even need to watch a highlight reel, and if you are looking to actually learn the hero (instead of getting motivated to learn the hero), then watching his games will be much more useful.
Dendi one of the best invoker?? hahahahhaha nice joke , the other day he play invoker against alliance and build (in a draft without carry) quax-wex and then build euls o.O lol
Cook is the best http://dotabuff.com/players/17124907/matches?hero=invoker&game_mode=&match_type=real
Ha ha yeah, Dendi is like real bad. Let's all laugh at him because he so bad innit lol ha ha ha ha mmmf gruuurrrr argggghhhh pffffft.
s4 is the most calculated and precise invoker i've seen,don't have actual replays but yeah...
i randomly came across his stream,he was playing invoker.unlike any other player he seemed to be so relaxed,and very very calculated,everything he did,he did for a reason and with a reason,no risks,no stupid stuff.
Thanks for everyone's input :D Love the community <3 I watched Cook's reel and all I can say is wow..... lol
Ferrari's Invoker is likely the best and definitely better than Cook. Although Cook is perhaps the flashiest invoker player, he makes plenty of mistakes and wastes a ton of spells. Ferrari isn't as flashy, but he is supremely effective, fast, and makes good decisions with positioning. I must say though, Cook has a lot of potential, but he is definitely not consistently as good as Ferrari.
Dendi and Iceiceice are amazing Dota players, but their Invoker are not as good.
I notice that iceiceice does tend to waste spells alot and spends to much time farming while always rushing midas (which is good in some games) but i dont see him do anything but the eul+meatball+ss+blast combo when its a 1 on 1 encounter. alacrity or forge spirits + coldsnap or icewall should be enough.
http://dotabuff.com/players/94199655/matches?game_mode=&hero=invoker&match_type=real
Check other pages as well! Too good, my inspiration.
^ really? wow. I liked that video so much more than grimorum's. Does cook have any other invoker vids?
just watch his matches, every game is fucking amazing
http://dotabuff.com/players/17124907/matches?hero=invoker&game_mode=&match_type=real
Ferrari = Effective Invoker
Cook = Flashy, but not as effective Invoker
If you want to win, learn from the right player.
Non of the pro players nor the top Invokers on dotabuff play invoker like at all.
Theres a huge difference in being Good dota player and good invoker.
Having or playing with a goodteam that understands invoker is also one of the biggest factors
Something you dont want to do is look at progamers and see what they do as this will be to hard to understand.
goes to say about kinda any hero or item build but is especially true with invoker.
If anything checkout grims videos guides to get a basic understanding of the hero.
After that go try difference builds vs difference laneups and then try difference itembuilds.
Invoker has lot of different play style. Depend on which style you play.
DPS = Alarcity + Cold Snap
Summon = Forge + cold + necro book
Wex Quas = Cold Snap, Tornado, Emp
Extort = Meteor, Sun Strike, Deafening Blast
Balanced = Depend, Utility
Troller = Ghost walk + Radiance ( Not recommended unless you are so fucking good in can troll enemy :D )
I am a invoker player and i tried every single build before especially the trolling build LMAO
I am a Na'Vi fan, but even I admit that Icex3 is the best invoker I have seen so far. His timing is close to perfect, spell and item choices versatile.
I would recommend checking out the style of invoker I play, since I don't know of other invokers I cannot telll whether this is similar to someone better - But I've had plenty of succes with this style and if you want to I can give some pointers :)
http://dotabuff.com/players/125168907
maybe Grimorum was the best Invoker ever ...
he stop share his match history because he was stressful to maintain 80% win rate with 10.4 KDA. Now he can play for fun ..
Just download his video on Youtube.. Raging Fury..
im not dissing grimorum he is a skilled invoker player but do you even know how he got that kda? all he did was spam sunstrikes and avoid team fights, he was abusing euls + meteor+qwe blast before it became a popular meta
Actually, half my games in that period were w/q. Even when I went E/Q, I did not use Eul that often.
sorry i was thinking of somebody else, can you enable mmr sharing again? or did your kda go down tremendously now
@so grim, what's your mmr? please enlighten us!
yes yes grim what? and if you are ever interested in a 1v1 with invoker im always open
KDA is around 7 now. Win rate has gone up because 6.79 invoker is much better than 6.78.
The only mmr I am interested in is solo queue against other solo queue, but that is not possible anymore.
Therefore, I do not have a MMR at all. When DBR was available, I was 2250 playing solo most of the time.
I will likely make my profile public again, but not soon.
2250 MMR? That is sooooooooo freaking low. Zzz. Im not that good but Im at 4300 and Im also an Invoker user.
@Economist
I said DBR not MMR.
Top ten DBR was around 2500 and they stacked all the time. I was 2250 DBR playing solo.
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Can any plus members PLEASE Dotabuff link me to the top Invoker players out there? I am trying to focus on becoming a better Invoker player and would like to learn from the best :D
Thanks in advance!