Don John, you need to improve your reading comprehension. I already said that you deserve your spot in the 5600 range in my last post. I also said I cannot reach that MMR because I am already old, slow, and stiff from 20 years of gaming. Do you see 33 year olds competing in gaming tournaments? You are higher MMR simply because you are younger and faster. You have so much potential, but you are wasting it on poor item and skill build.
The worst part is your attitude. None of your posts are constructive criticism.
None of your rebuttals include an intelligent and logical explanation for the community.
1. Why do you always build dagger and orchid even against Lycan, BB, etc.
2. Why do you build 4 quas 4 wex 5 exort?
Justify your reasoning or future invoker players will make the same mistakes and copy you.
Lmfao Grim trying to do damage control, just yesterday you pulled out a replay where I faced off against a 6k and 5k stack and try to force feed that I am 3k, then you said I am a disgrace to all invoker players and that I stacked my way 6k and fell (which I proved you wrong)....and now you say I deserve my spot? Looks like someone is desperately trying to save face
Why do I need to justify?
The only justification I need is it got me to 6000 MMR and top 30 America and the #1 diamond 10 invoker player, my results are my justification lol
If I did conventional item builds and skill builds like the rest of you I'd be another 3k or 4k or a sub 5k scrub like you lol, the fact is I have my own reasoning and you wouldn't even be able to comprehend it otherwise you wouldn't be stuck playing against scrubs and cutting clips from your non ranked 2k and 3k adventures.
Also don't say you can't do it "anymore", you never came close to 6000 MMR let alone crack the leaderboard so save us the pitty party, you should be honoured I even took the time to reply to you lmfao.
You are quite obnoxious. Your refusal to input any positive knowledge or opinion to the community is quite frustrating.
Your reading comprehension still needs improvement too.
My first impression was that you stacked your way to 6k and fell. I asked you a few questions (how many invoker solo matches) to inquire about the situation, but you never responded. After hearing another member tell me that you are regularly on the leaderboard, I concluded that you deserve your spot at 5600. I also did mention in a previous post that your reflexes and spell choice did reflect 5600; however, several aspects of your gaming matches those at a 3000 MMR level. This includes the automatic dagger/orchid item build and the 4w4q5e skill build.
Dota requires adaptation and flexibility. You cannot expect best results by automatically using the same item/skill build for Invoker. If you seriously believe I am too dumb to understand your reasoning, please enlighten the community. If you think you are almighty god and nobody will understand you, then please stop posting.
When Dota 2 came out, I was already old, slow, and stiff. You seriously expect a 31 year old to compete with 13-25 year olds in their prime?
And Don idk why are you compering you'r self to Grigorum. Just look at stats
Don 2746 games 64% wr 3.96 kda
Grigorum 273 games 83% wr 7.74 kda
Anybody can spam invoker none stop but result that counts. You # 18 invoke cuz you have most games of him. If Grigorum played 2500 more games he would been top 10.if not higher.
dude diamond means shit! i got diamond 4 drow after 1 game in low priority, all in all the shit i paid for (top100) is faulty and omfg can't believe they spent so much time on this bullshit
@Don John
No one cares who is "the best Invoker", you should already be happy someone said ur name in this thread, what if you could get mmr only in capitain mode ? They would ban Invoker and you would get fucked. Stop being an angry child; looking at your hateful posts it looks like it's not healthy to play that much Invoker.
You have about 98% of your 3k games with Invoker ,
Grimorum has 22% of his games played with Invoker , 80% wr with invoker , most of his others heroes are below 50%, it's pretty obvious his 'invoker mmr' is higher than his 'overall mmr'.
Too bad talk is cheap, out of all the recent games you used a subpar game from me against some 6ks as an example and decided to force feed the whole 3k commotion, do you not know the high MMR solo queue community see you as a joke when we watch your games?
Look at who you play against on a regular basis, non ranked games against low MMR tier players, when I stack I go up against the best stacks in my region and when I solo I play with and against the best solo players in my region, you just don't have the credentials man lol, prove me wrong....show me an account where you CONSISTENTLY played against high MMR players in ranked matches with you doing great on a consistent basis...right now all I see is 5 ranked matches with 40% winrate lol how sad
One cannot reach 6k MMR by having several aspects at the 3k level and being consistently on the leaderboard, a 6k player is better than you in any way possible.
Just like the experiment in playdota where a bunch of 3k players think they are equal to 5ks then got completely smacked down in all their matches...similarly I don't think you can comprehend what makes a high 5k player and 6k player better than you because you have never been there before and you don't play against them on a regular basis.
You keep harping on my item and skill build, yet I don't see what you are doing help you reach top 30 or 6000 MMR
The only thing I'm hearing is...Don John you played like a 3k in this game! I know you were top 30 America with 6000 MMR but you are a disgrace to invoker players because you are not adaptable, although Im like 1000 MMR lower than you I think you have several aspects of your game that are 3k level, I never came close to top 30 america before but that's because I'm old!
All his games were non ranked which means easier opponents by a large margin, he tried 5 ranked games on this account and his win % is a pathetic 40%
Anyone can look good playing trash, let's pit him against a 6k stack or try and play against 2 or 3 5k players while having to carry sub 4k players, because that's what high solo MMR players go through
If he could win 80% of his games as invoker in ranked mode he wouldn't be a sub 5k....common sense 101 boys
Almost all your games are like that. Orchid, dagger, and 4 quas 4 wex 5 exort.
If Ferrari used your item and skill build full time, his MMR would start dropping.
There is no justification for automatically building the same items and skills every game.
You do not care at all about anyone but yourself. Many newer Invoker players will make horrible mistakes by copying you.
All your posts have no contribution for the community.
Please stop posting. If you continue to trash talk with no positive contribution, I will simply ignore you forever.
Ahh yes using a professional player as part of your argument, maybe he will drop to 6k at most, but if he played your style then even worse he probably would've dropped to 5000
That's like me saying if Dendi or Ferrari played like you their MMR would drop intensely, huge argument there bro! Props for the creativity
If it helped me get to 6k and Top 30 America, and I'm comfortable with it, why would you give a rats ass about why I do it? Maybe I'm trolling....and I trolled my way to 6000 MMR, you mad? Lol
On what grounds can I take your words seriously?
-you have 5 ranked games with 40% winrate on this account
-Never reached leaderboard
-Don't have an account that consistently show you winning in solo RANKED games
Just show me something tangible that proves I can take your words seriously, something objective.
Oh while you are at it fetch me another 4 games where I'm using the 4 4 5 build, you are seriously proving a point there!!
@Don John , you do know there is some hidden mmr in non ranked too, so basically ranked and normal are the same just one show the mmr, you can see "very high skill" near the games , so can't be 2k.
He is just autistic child who can only say Im best invoker top 30 America 6k mmr top 30 America top 30 America Im best Im on leaderboard. I play vs 6k stacks. I have 3 kda with invoker im best. Even read his steam acc lol (They call me the Greatest of All Time.) lol loser
Only thing I wanted was some substance in Grims argument but so far I've only heard him say he's too old and stiff to climb leaderboard (lol?) and how my build is sub optimal despite getting to 6k with it
The funniest shit is saying I only play for myself because new players might copy me and fail with it....yes they should stop watching me and start watching your vids so they can be the next failed invoker player who needs to play 6000 games to barely reach 5k
Am I supposed to play a lackluster conventional build that every 4k and 3k player plays so they can relate more to it?
I'm sorry I got to 6k with a skill and item build that the majority of you can never utilize properly
But hey have fun bookmarking my dotabuff profile and Copy and pasting the next average or bad game that I have and pretending you are better than me, anything to help you sleep at night :)
To the people here who played thousand of games and struggle to reach or maintain 50% winrate or the next hero spammer who plays 6000 games but can't even crack leaderboard, I salute you because bad players like you make me look good.
Hey so you went 8-11-2? Are you Fricken serious? You were the worst player on your team even though you had a 6.1k player carrying you, how can you even criticize my game? LOL what a damn joke
So far your argument has not been very convincing, excuse me while I preach this again to sum everything up:
Grimorum:
-Never cracked leaderboard once
-Max MMR reach was 5000 apparently, his actual MMR may be 4946 or lower (http://puu.sh/cauKd/b99d817c48.jpg) -All profile available public games are non-ranked, which means nothing due to low level of competition
-Goes 0-9 against me the last time we played (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/184416572) <-- Don't you think you can fare better against an invoker with "3k game aspect?"
Don John:
-Max MMR reach was 6080
-Max Rank was Top 30 America Leaderboard (Rank 28)
-Current MMR as of posting is 5680
-#1 Ranked Diamond 10 Invoker player (Rank 18 overall as of posting)
-Plays regularly against Top stacks and Top Solo Queue players
Cannot wait for your indepth analysis, but let me do the honour first.
0:00 - Starts off with robe of magi... BIG ITEM! Get flamed by ally 6k already
4:42 - Solo Killed by enemy Storm mid
10:30 - Enemy doom walks from river towards mid and YOU HAVE FULL VISION of him with 2 wards in MID and JUNGLE, and you still stand still and totally NOT NOTICE doom and get DOOMED and killed by storm! LOL
10:54 - Your 6k Timber goes 7-0 at this point in game
16:07 - You Ghost walk into Dire Jungle with vision of Naix with 455 MS and Naix has 328 MS, and you still manage to WALK BESIDE HIM to reveal your presence, you get dusted
21:04 - You are fighting a 4 vs 2 scenario and your SPEC even ults to make it potentially 5 vs 2, you start TPING and canceling it again? Panicked? Scrub move
24:17 - You Ghost walk RIGHT next to an enemy storm and you decide to reveal yourself by alacritying first instead of using Orchid, storm zips away LMFAO
24:26 - GiX the 6k player (Your own ally) starts flaming you and storm taunts you about how he killed you solo
26:50 - You don't check Brew's inventory and you run right next to him as he BKBs and storm zips in, putting yourself in danger
27:00 - You try to TP with an Earth Split Brewmaster right next to you LOL
29:42 - Again you tried to take down a full HP Brewmaster with BKB and Ult ready and Silencer on the other team, I am speechless at this point
33:48 - ENEMY DOOM has been disconnected for like 15 minutes?
39:40 - You walk alone in Jungle when 4 enemies are AFK, and you end up getting solo killed by a Brew, and you actually popped BKB with 200 hp left and a silencer on the other team to waste your charge before you died LOLOLOL
Oh god I can't go on any longer, you're damn horrible
The entire game was 5 vs 4 and you still managed to be 8-11-2
and the end score shows you are 4k too, you have been exposed, now get on my level please
Check the ability and item build from that game. None of it matches my skill build guides.
I was enraged by my brother that day. Stole my $900 phone and sold it.
So sometimes I lose my cool and throw a game.
I apologize to the 4 players on my team.
All my work documents were on the phone and it was all gone.
I lost a lot of games that day and dropped to 4900
I don't treasure my MMR like it is life and death.
Apparently, MMR is the only thing you care about.
Also, going back up to 5,120 was not hard at all.
Feeder, my PC is like from 2005. You can tell my PC is old just by looking at that screenshot? Damn, my eyesight is horrible compared to yours, or maybe I am just used to the resolution.
what the actual fuck is this thread ?
i read a little bit of it, my conclusion is don jon is the typical fucktard who has no clue at all.
and im pretty sure deep inside he knows he's a bad player, else he wouldnt spam his useless american?top30rank in every single post.
A good player dont give a fuck about others ppl opinion or stats/ranks, cuz he has inner confidence, something that wanabees lack.
Didnt watch any of ur replays, wont do it, but from what ive read you're doing the same build everytime even tho in some match there is ten thousand better item choices that would have a better impact on the game which proves my point saying ur a fucktard who has no clue.
Now I meet a lot of ppl like u in my games who thinks they are the shit and from my experience i can tell that those guys are almost always the uncarriables ones cuz they just dont have the capacity to adapt to a situation and just cant get out of their bubbles when things dont go their way.
grimorium explained to you with a logic that a 4yo kid could understand your flaws and yet you just refuse to acknowledge everything he said which by the way is true.
You got the iq of a donut and its depressing to see you humiliate urself over and over and OVER so please top.
Sometimes its rly funny to see trash players spam their shit on forums, im the first one to laugh and troll em, but sometimes its just not.
Peace out.
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What Grimorum said is true. Dohn John deserves his MMR but if he started to make fucking Scepter for invoker and maybe learned how to combo then he would have swinged by to 6k MMR.
HAHAHAHAH.... Just found out... Don John rekt by rtz hahahaha
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/973819428 his match = RTZ playing DK
Was watching rtz stream just found out Don John was playing invoker... lol total scrub. Nice failing EMPS
Wait a second guys, so this Don John guys insult Grimorum for being 4946 mmr when he is 5600 ?
So he is below 5500 mmr and call himself 6K, Grimorum 4946 and he call him 4k, is this guy full retard or just trolling, any case a mod should take care of him.
both overated, no respect to each other , acting like little kids..
i cry everitiem when i read such posts...
i had some respect to Grimorum back in the days i wanted to learn invoker.. and grimorum helped me a lot with his analysis on many of my matches and gave me some good advice to continue playing this hero i had like 600 games thanks to grimorum. but now
1 year passed and i've learned a lot , but looking at these threads makes me sad
Invoker is sad
Ah US players fighting over pencil dick points. What's new!
It is my strong opinion having watched both of you play invoker a number of times that...
Grim - Better combo'ing, and item progressions.
John - Better at overall game play and decision making
You both have your strong points (some not listed) and you both have your weaknesses. Playing one way makes you better at the hero, and another way will win you more games. Who cares. Both of you are equally liked and disliked in the community and I would just grow up and move along instead of fighting over who's better with a single hero.
Seriously both of you acne ridden pencil dicks just grow the fuck up.
LOL, I was watching that game. They were fighting 3 v 4 fight got killed (I wonder why lol) and dk killed bounty and sven in there jungle lol ezy wipe. nice 3 v 4 fight without your2 cores. could wothat game sard, artezy was fights and was solo pushing ur mid tower wu were all close to it. also so many sunstrikes not even closeto hit anything.
It is entertaining to see you guys once again do a high quality indepth analysis of my gameplay, I can't wait to see what advice Master Dota Exchange from the Normal skill bracket has to offer this time.
"If Ferrari plays your invoker build his MMR would drop!"
O RLY? A TI2 Champion who is known for his invoker would play better than me? So tell me Grim, are you saying if Ferrari adopted your style he would raise another 1k MMR when you struggle to even maintain 5000?
LOL I got outplayed by ARTEEZY, a professional player who is ranked 6 on Leaderboard! Listen to yourselves LOL 99.9% of you in this thread probably couldn't even get into a game with him, our Skywrath was 5400 MMR and he was 1-9, I'd love to see this 49% winner in the normal bracket play against Arteezy mid, I definitely have to witness this.
I mean, I know most of you here are trolling but I'm already getting bored, come up with something original that's not so easily countered.
It's been 4 pages of discussion and Grim still hasn't provided me with any substance.
The ONLY thing I've heard is:
-He's 5000 MMR only
-Finds a bad game from me against 2 6ks, flames me based on it despite the fact that he goes 8-11-2 in a 5 vs 4 game and gets totally raped by another 5k Storm although his 6k ally went 7-0 to begin the game
-Blames old age and his (imaginary?) brother for his bad performances
Really dude? Is that all you got?
Are you delusional enough to think you are better than someone that has higher SOLO MMR, higher PARTY MMR, higher DOTABUFF rating?
Talk is CHEAP, speak with RESULTS.
....not by picking apart single replays and hiding your own while making excuses about people stealing your phone for your own poor performances LOL
I even welcome 1 vs 1, or 5 vs 5.
Notice I didn't use the word "CHALLENGE" because I honestly don't think you're good enough, you don't have the credentials to prove it.
Don John, you need to improve your reading comprehension. I already said that you deserve your spot in the 5600 range in my last post. I also said I cannot reach that MMR because I am already old, slow, and stiff from 20 years of gaming. Do you see 33 year olds competing in gaming tournaments? You are higher MMR simply because you are younger and faster. You have so much potential, but you are wasting it on poor item and skill build.
The worst part is your attitude. None of your posts are constructive criticism.
None of your rebuttals include an intelligent and logical explanation for the community.
1. Why do you always build dagger and orchid even against Lycan, BB, etc.
2. Why do you build 4 quas 4 wex 5 exort?
Justify your reasoning or future invoker players will make the same mistakes and copy you.
Lmfao Grim trying to do damage control, just yesterday you pulled out a replay where I faced off against a 6k and 5k stack and try to force feed that I am 3k, then you said I am a disgrace to all invoker players and that I stacked my way 6k and fell (which I proved you wrong)....and now you say I deserve my spot? Looks like someone is desperately trying to save face
Why do I need to justify?
The only justification I need is it got me to 6000 MMR and top 30 America and the #1 diamond 10 invoker player, my results are my justification lol
If I did conventional item builds and skill builds like the rest of you I'd be another 3k or 4k or a sub 5k scrub like you lol, the fact is I have my own reasoning and you wouldn't even be able to comprehend it otherwise you wouldn't be stuck playing against scrubs and cutting clips from your non ranked 2k and 3k adventures.
Also don't say you can't do it "anymore", you never came close to 6000 MMR let alone crack the leaderboard so save us the pitty party, you should be honoured I even took the time to reply to you lmfao.
^even if you are better than him, why fucking hate so much, its like you get paid for it .
i approve more of this build than the typical noob 2 skills with euls
Don John,
You are quite obnoxious. Your refusal to input any positive knowledge or opinion to the community is quite frustrating.
Your reading comprehension still needs improvement too.
My first impression was that you stacked your way to 6k and fell. I asked you a few questions (how many invoker solo matches) to inquire about the situation, but you never responded. After hearing another member tell me that you are regularly on the leaderboard, I concluded that you deserve your spot at 5600. I also did mention in a previous post that your reflexes and spell choice did reflect 5600; however, several aspects of your gaming matches those at a 3000 MMR level. This includes the automatic dagger/orchid item build and the 4w4q5e skill build.
Dota requires adaptation and flexibility. You cannot expect best results by automatically using the same item/skill build for Invoker. If you seriously believe I am too dumb to understand your reasoning, please enlighten the community. If you think you are almighty god and nobody will understand you, then please stop posting.
When Dota 2 came out, I was already old, slow, and stiff. You seriously expect a 31 year old to compete with 13-25 year olds in their prime?
Don, you'r 18 th invoker player in ratings not 12.
Grimorum, you'r 48th Diamond 8. Nice!
And Don idk why are you compering you'r self to Grigorum. Just look at stats
Don 2746 games 64% wr 3.96 kda
Grigorum 273 games 83% wr 7.74 kda
Anybody can spam invoker none stop but result that counts. You # 18 invoke cuz you have most games of him. If Grigorum played 2500 more games he would been top 10.if not higher.
dude diamond means shit! i got diamond 4 drow after 1 game in low priority, all in all the shit i paid for (top100) is faulty and omfg can't believe they spent so much time on this bullshit
@Don John
No one cares who is "the best Invoker", you should already be happy someone said ur name in this thread, what if you could get mmr only in capitain mode ? They would ban Invoker and you would get fucked. Stop being an angry child; looking at your hateful posts it looks like it's not healthy to play that much Invoker.
You have about 98% of your 3k games with Invoker ,
Grimorum has 22% of his games played with Invoker , 80% wr with invoker , most of his others heroes are below 50%, it's pretty obvious his 'invoker mmr' is higher than his 'overall mmr'.
Just play different heroes you'll get less angry.
Too bad talk is cheap, out of all the recent games you used a subpar game from me against some 6ks as an example and decided to force feed the whole 3k commotion, do you not know the high MMR solo queue community see you as a joke when we watch your games?
Look at who you play against on a regular basis, non ranked games against low MMR tier players, when I stack I go up against the best stacks in my region and when I solo I play with and against the best solo players in my region, you just don't have the credentials man lol, prove me wrong....show me an account where you CONSISTENTLY played against high MMR players in ranked matches with you doing great on a consistent basis...right now all I see is 5 ranked matches with 40% winrate lol how sad
One cannot reach 6k MMR by having several aspects at the 3k level and being consistently on the leaderboard, a 6k player is better than you in any way possible.
Just like the experiment in playdota where a bunch of 3k players think they are equal to 5ks then got completely smacked down in all their matches...similarly I don't think you can comprehend what makes a high 5k player and 6k player better than you because you have never been there before and you don't play against them on a regular basis.
You keep harping on my item and skill build, yet I don't see what you are doing help you reach top 30 or 6000 MMR
The only thing I'm hearing is...Don John you played like a 3k in this game! I know you were top 30 America with 6000 MMR but you are a disgrace to invoker players because you are not adaptable, although Im like 1000 MMR lower than you I think you have several aspects of your game that are 3k level, I never came close to top 30 america before but that's because I'm old!
LOL
@dotaexchange and eazynogoud
All his games were non ranked which means easier opponents by a large margin, he tried 5 ranked games on this account and his win % is a pathetic 40%
Anyone can look good playing trash, let's pit him against a 6k stack or try and play against 2 or 3 5k players while having to carry sub 4k players, because that's what high solo MMR players go through
If he could win 80% of his games as invoker in ranked mode he wouldn't be a sub 5k....common sense 101 boys
Don John, Nice photoshop faaget.
Not as nice as your 49% winrate buddy ! After thousands of games ...should consider uninstalling
"^even if you are better than him, why fucking hate so much, its like you get paid for it ."
Don John,
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/971967486
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/971893765
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/971600616
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/971564608
Almost all your games are like that. Orchid, dagger, and 4 quas 4 wex 5 exort.
If Ferrari used your item and skill build full time, his MMR would start dropping.
There is no justification for automatically building the same items and skills every game.
You do not care at all about anyone but yourself. Many newer Invoker players will make horrible mistakes by copying you.
All your posts have no contribution for the community.
Please stop posting. If you continue to trash talk with no positive contribution, I will simply ignore you forever.
jelly, and 51% http://dotamax.com/player/detail/18354783/
Don John, he is like robot who dsnt have brain to think of which build is bst vs enemy team just does same thing every game.
Wow. Much drama. Very scrub. So Doto.
Don John what's ur gibberish all about ?
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/151577978/matches?date=&faction=&hero=invoker&lobby_type=&game_mode=®ion=&duration=
Btw is your account 6k mmr or 5600 ?
Ahh yes using a professional player as part of your argument, maybe he will drop to 6k at most, but if he played your style then even worse he probably would've dropped to 5000
That's like me saying if Dendi or Ferrari played like you their MMR would drop intensely, huge argument there bro! Props for the creativity
If it helped me get to 6k and Top 30 America, and I'm comfortable with it, why would you give a rats ass about why I do it? Maybe I'm trolling....and I trolled my way to 6000 MMR, you mad? Lol
On what grounds can I take your words seriously?
-you have 5 ranked games with 40% winrate on this account
-Never reached leaderboard
-Don't have an account that consistently show you winning in solo RANKED games
Just show me something tangible that proves I can take your words seriously, something objective.
Oh while you are at it fetch me another 4 games where I'm using the 4 4 5 build, you are seriously proving a point there!!
@eazy
Those are all "normal" games, which means they are non ranked
@Don John , you do know there is some hidden mmr in non ranked too, so basically ranked and normal are the same just one show the mmr, you can see "very high skill" near the games , so can't be 2k.
He is just autistic child who can only say Im best invoker top 30 America 6k mmr top 30 America top 30 America Im best Im on leaderboard. I play vs 6k stacks. I have 3 kda with invoker im best. Even read his steam acc lol (They call me the Greatest of All Time.) lol loser
Only thing I wanted was some substance in Grims argument but so far I've only heard him say he's too old and stiff to climb leaderboard (lol?) and how my build is sub optimal despite getting to 6k with it
The funniest shit is saying I only play for myself because new players might copy me and fail with it....yes they should stop watching me and start watching your vids so they can be the next failed invoker player who needs to play 6000 games to barely reach 5k
Am I supposed to play a lackluster conventional build that every 4k and 3k player plays so they can relate more to it?
I'm sorry I got to 6k with a skill and item build that the majority of you can never utilize properly
But hey have fun bookmarking my dotabuff profile and Copy and pasting the next average or bad game that I have and pretending you are better than me, anything to help you sleep at night :)
To the people here who played thousand of games and struggle to reach or maintain 50% winrate or the next hero spammer who plays 6000 games but can't even crack leaderboard, I salute you because bad players like you make me look good.
10/10 would read again ^
Honestly Grim, I'm surprised as a 31 year old you still present so many flaws in your logic when it comes to arguing, I really did enjoy exposing you.
http://puu.sh/cauKd/b99d817c48.jpg
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/958234027
^Apparently you're not even 5k MMR LOL!!!!!! You are 4921 MMR 8 days AGO HAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FK LOLOLOL
Hey so you went 8-11-2? Are you Fricken serious? You were the worst player on your team even though you had a 6.1k player carrying you, how can you even criticize my game? LOL what a damn joke
So far your argument has not been very convincing, excuse me while I preach this again to sum everything up:
Grimorum:
-Never cracked leaderboard once
-Max MMR reach was 5000 apparently, his actual MMR may be 4946 or lower (http://puu.sh/cauKd/b99d817c48.jpg)
-All profile available public games are non-ranked, which means nothing due to low level of competition
-Goes 0-9 against me the last time we played (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/184416572) <-- Don't you think you can fare better against an invoker with "3k game aspect?"
Don John:
-Max MMR reach was 6080
-Max Rank was Top 30 America Leaderboard (Rank 28)
-Current MMR as of posting is 5680
-#1 Ranked Diamond 10 Invoker player (Rank 18 overall as of posting)
-Plays regularly against Top stacks and Top Solo Queue players
Grimorum is 4k, exposed CASE IS CLOSED BOYS.
Goes 8-11-2 in a 5 vs 4 game and gets solo killed by opposing mid player despite his 6k ally starting the game off 7-0 Offlane.
http://puu.sh/cauKd/b99d817c48.jpg <-- Ranked game 8 days ago
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/958234027
Cannot wait for your indepth analysis, but let me do the honour first.
0:00 - Starts off with robe of magi... BIG ITEM! Get flamed by ally 6k already
4:42 - Solo Killed by enemy Storm mid
10:30 - Enemy doom walks from river towards mid and YOU HAVE FULL VISION of him with 2 wards in MID and JUNGLE, and you still stand still and totally NOT NOTICE doom and get DOOMED and killed by storm! LOL
10:54 - Your 6k Timber goes 7-0 at this point in game
16:07 - You Ghost walk into Dire Jungle with vision of Naix with 455 MS and Naix has 328 MS, and you still manage to WALK BESIDE HIM to reveal your presence, you get dusted
21:04 - You are fighting a 4 vs 2 scenario and your SPEC even ults to make it potentially 5 vs 2, you start TPING and canceling it again? Panicked? Scrub move
24:17 - You Ghost walk RIGHT next to an enemy storm and you decide to reveal yourself by alacritying first instead of using Orchid, storm zips away LMFAO
24:26 - GiX the 6k player (Your own ally) starts flaming you and storm taunts you about how he killed you solo
26:50 - You don't check Brew's inventory and you run right next to him as he BKBs and storm zips in, putting yourself in danger
27:00 - You try to TP with an Earth Split Brewmaster right next to you LOL
29:42 - Again you tried to take down a full HP Brewmaster with BKB and Ult ready and Silencer on the other team, I am speechless at this point
33:48 - ENEMY DOOM has been disconnected for like 15 minutes?
39:40 - You walk alone in Jungle when 4 enemies are AFK, and you end up getting solo killed by a Brew, and you actually popped BKB with 200 hp left and a silencer on the other team to waste your charge before you died LOLOLOL
Oh god I can't go on any longer, you're damn horrible
The entire game was 5 vs 4 and you still managed to be 8-11-2
and the end score shows you are 4k too, you have been exposed, now get on my level please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uC1eFQWa0s
The so called 2k Invoker games Don John doesn't even check enemy Juggernaut Inventory!
Hello 5k MMR! I'm sure you bought a high MMR account from someone and now you are dropping it.
@Don John: My dog plays better Invoker than you anyday!
Someone's rattled
Don John,
http://steamcommunity.com/id/GrimorumInvoker/screenshots/?appid=570
5,120 MMR
Check the ability and item build from that game. None of it matches my skill build guides.
I was enraged by my brother that day. Stole my $900 phone and sold it.
So sometimes I lose my cool and throw a game.
I apologize to the 4 players on my team.
All my work documents were on the phone and it was all gone.
I lost a lot of games that day and dropped to 4900
I don't treasure my MMR like it is life and death.
Apparently, MMR is the only thing you care about.
Also, going back up to 5,120 was not hard at all.
I need a restraining order on Don John.
Why are you people doubting grim? He's most likely 10000x better than you guys who are flaming him. Please show some respect to dota sempais
Also Grim, your screenshot looks like a 800x600.... what the heck is up with that?
Get a new pc buddy!
Feeder, my PC is like from 2005. You can tell my PC is old just by looking at that screenshot? Damn, my eyesight is horrible compared to yours, or maybe I am just used to the resolution.
what the actual fuck is this thread ?
i read a little bit of it, my conclusion is don jon is the typical fucktard who has no clue at all.
and im pretty sure deep inside he knows he's a bad player, else he wouldnt spam his useless american?top30rank in every single post.
A good player dont give a fuck about others ppl opinion or stats/ranks, cuz he has inner confidence, something that wanabees lack.
Didnt watch any of ur replays, wont do it, but from what ive read you're doing the same build everytime even tho in some match there is ten thousand better item choices that would have a better impact on the game which proves my point saying ur a fucktard who has no clue.
Now I meet a lot of ppl like u in my games who thinks they are the shit and from my experience i can tell that those guys are almost always the uncarriables ones cuz they just dont have the capacity to adapt to a situation and just cant get out of their bubbles when things dont go their way.
grimorium explained to you with a logic that a 4yo kid could understand your flaws and yet you just refuse to acknowledge everything he said which by the way is true.
You got the iq of a donut and its depressing to see you humiliate urself over and over and OVER so please top.
Sometimes its rly funny to see trash players spam their shit on forums, im the first one to laugh and troll em, but sometimes its just not.
Peace out.
lulz cant bellieff i actually joined this thread, thats so not me ;>d<KFjsdighjs tg çç XDDDçççg g=mp:p =plololL .
and kyle. its chinkyminks
dont call me feeder Lols
The low MMR and sub 50% winrate presence is STRONK
Brother stole your phone so you had to play an enraged dota game and feed, LMFAO full of excuses
lol, why do you care so much about mmr? shit is just a number. f*ck tryhard, let's troll.
@Don John can you suck my Dog's dick please? He wants to see how good a guy with 2k Invoker game is.
HAHAHA now i started to feel sad for Don John .. lets stop bullying him..
Don John
While your at it. Please take your time and do a in depth analysis on my ass and then kiss it.
What Grimorum said is true. Dohn John deserves his MMR but if he started to make fucking Scepter for invoker and maybe learned how to combo then he would have swinged by to 6k MMR.
Sadly kids dont listen.
Just ignore this don let him learn from the mistakes, he is just too ignorant to learn.
HAHAHAHAH.... Just found out... Don John rekt by rtz hahahaha
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/973819428 his match = RTZ playing DK
Was watching rtz stream just found out Don John was playing invoker... lol total scrub. Nice failing EMPS
Wait a second guys, so this Don John guys insult Grimorum for being 4946 mmr when he is 5600 ?
So he is below 5500 mmr and call himself 6K, Grimorum 4946 and he call him 4k, is this guy full retard or just trolling, any case a mod should take care of him.
both overated, no respect to each other , acting like little kids..
i cry everitiem when i read such posts...
i had some respect to Grimorum back in the days i wanted to learn invoker.. and grimorum helped me a lot with his analysis on many of my matches and gave me some good advice to continue playing this hero i had like 600 games thanks to grimorum. but now
1 year passed and i've learned a lot , but looking at these threads makes me sad
Invoker is sad
Ah US players fighting over pencil dick points. What's new!
It is my strong opinion having watched both of you play invoker a number of times that...
Grim - Better combo'ing, and item progressions.
John - Better at overall game play and decision making
You both have your strong points (some not listed) and you both have your weaknesses. Playing one way makes you better at the hero, and another way will win you more games. Who cares. Both of you are equally liked and disliked in the community and I would just grow up and move along instead of fighting over who's better with a single hero.
Seriously both of you acne ridden pencil dicks just grow the fuck up.
LOL, I was watching that game. They were fighting 3 v 4 fight got killed (I wonder why lol) and dk killed bounty and sven in there jungle lol ezy wipe. nice 3 v 4 fight without your2 cores. could wothat game sard, artezy was fights and was solo pushing ur mid tower wu were all close to it. also so many sunstrikes not even closeto hit anything.
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BUMPERINO!
It is entertaining to see you guys once again do a high quality indepth analysis of my gameplay, I can't wait to see what advice Master Dota Exchange from the Normal skill bracket has to offer this time.
"If Ferrari plays your invoker build his MMR would drop!"
O RLY? A TI2 Champion who is known for his invoker would play better than me? So tell me Grim, are you saying if Ferrari adopted your style he would raise another 1k MMR when you struggle to even maintain 5000?
LOL I got outplayed by ARTEEZY, a professional player who is ranked 6 on Leaderboard! Listen to yourselves LOL 99.9% of you in this thread probably couldn't even get into a game with him, our Skywrath was 5400 MMR and he was 1-9, I'd love to see this 49% winner in the normal bracket play against Arteezy mid, I definitely have to witness this.
I mean, I know most of you here are trolling but I'm already getting bored, come up with something original that's not so easily countered.
It's been 4 pages of discussion and Grim still hasn't provided me with any substance.
The ONLY thing I've heard is:
-He's 5000 MMR only
-Finds a bad game from me against 2 6ks, flames me based on it despite the fact that he goes 8-11-2 in a 5 vs 4 game and gets totally raped by another 5k Storm although his 6k ally went 7-0 to begin the game
-Blames old age and his (imaginary?) brother for his bad performances
Really dude? Is that all you got?
Are you delusional enough to think you are better than someone that has higher SOLO MMR, higher PARTY MMR, higher DOTABUFF rating?
Talk is CHEAP, speak with RESULTS.
....not by picking apart single replays and hiding your own while making excuses about people stealing your phone for your own poor performances LOL
I even welcome 1 vs 1, or 5 vs 5.
Notice I didn't use the word "CHALLENGE" because I honestly don't think you're good enough, you don't have the credentials to prove it.