psywire 2 hours ago wrote "The worst part is that its taking nearly 15-20mins for me to find a solo ranked roles game as a support, then I spend 40mins in it only to lose. So I give up, no more ranked for me until things are fixed."
I only can agree. This patch makes it clear to me, that Valve does not like me to play their game. That's ok. I am sad because I really loved the game, but they clearly have lost any interest in providing a good game:
1) matchmaking is worse than ever, like Archon 5 vs 5 Guardian 2 or 3
2) at the same time, the game lost its "come back" mechanic, which means: the Archon 5 wins his lane and so the game is lost
3) Meepo is just a sick joke, yesterday I lost a game against a 40:1 meepo and the immediately I won a game with a 38:2 Meepo
I do not know what mission they have, but they clearly lost their interest in the best game ever made. To me it looks like they want to destroy it, I just would love to understand the reason.
They seem to hate pubs.They really wanted to amplify all the weirdnes of pubs, especially for SEA. They succeeded big! Well done Valve! Just sad, I loved this game so much (although I was never good at it.)
^@Peter : I guess you can change your state of mind instead of seeing only the bad sides of things.
1) matchmaking is worse than ever, like Archon 5 vs 5 Guardian 2 or 3
Playing against players with a higher MMR is good :
- You get out of your confort zone and have to give you best
- You actually improve and learn instead of assimilating your MMR pool mistakes
- It's more rewarding & challenging if you manage to win a game against stronger players
2) at the same time, the game lost its "come back" mechanic, which means: the Archon 5 wins his lane and so the game is lost
Completely wrong. Moreover, people who tend to be fed make more mistakes blinded by their lead. And even in the opposite scenario when fed_B0Y plays too safe afk farming and hiding, he will eventually miss a fight in which your team can grab dem kills 5v4 to get online (Vision, SoD, Deward, communication is key).
3) Meepo is just a sick joke, yesterday I lost a game against a 40:1 meepo and the immediately I won a game with a 38:2 Meepo
You are right, playing against meepo when you draft with your brain is a joke : https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4235757400 You can stalk people on dotabuff during drafting BTW (last pick meepo spammer scenario l0lolz)
I do not know what mission they have, but they clearly lost their interest in the best game ever made. To me it looks like they want to destroy it, I just would love to understand the reason.
Are you meaning that the product manager/owner is rolling for LoL or HoN ???
They really wanted to amplify all the weirdnes of pubs, especially for SEA
Was playing EUW all my life and started playing in SEA this month (moved IRL) and yes I found SEA pubs weird:
- The guys think it's overthrow and mid becomes a 4v4 minute 3. Even underfarmed/leveled cores rotate mid to gank without CCs O_O
- People think they are banelings and that running one by one at you will get you kill somehow O_O (AoE explosion)
- I MISS MY BELOVED RUSSIANS AND THEIR ACCENT.
"Stop complaining and see the things on the brighter side."
No. I anticipate that there are people like you who enjoy this shit and constant pain. Have fun! You want to be matched with braindead peenoise. Be my guest. I guess, you are the customers Valve is looking for. Awesome.
" I guess you can change your state of mind instead of seeing only the bad sides of things."
This statement alone says it all. You would not buy a new BWW model, which looks like shit trying to "change your state of mind", only because you drove BMW for all of your life.
I drive a car when I like it. If they release shit, I look for a better model or brand. That's it. I will never understand why it should be different with Dota, although I anticipate that Valve is just looking for the "most possible games/customers", not for good games/customers.
Last but not least: Winrate was never spread so far (36% OD vs 57 Luna). That is 21% proven imbalance and though broken by design, speaking after the 2nd! hotfix (7.20c).
Believe in what you want, I understand statistics and these numbers just show a broken game.
@Peter : I guess you should read the guidelines & conduct of this forum, but it might cause too much pain to you to read it all :)
This statement alone says it all. You would not buy a new BWW model, which looks like shit trying to "change your state of mind", only because you drove BMW for all of your life.
I talked about getting out of your confort zone, learning and improving. You are just stating my point about CHANGING and not staying static in your confort zone.
No. I anticipate that there are people like you who enjoy this shit and constant pain. Have fun!
It's accurate that we get everything in life without striving.
You want to be matched with braindead peenoise
I said in CAPS that I wanted to be matched with Russians.
Valve is just looking for the "most possible games/customers", not for good games/customers.
It's accurate that TI prize pool & business model doesn't show that they have good customers and that Dota is aiming casual players like LoL.
@Sygma.Pride: We obviously live very different lives in very different worlds. Fascinating, but not compelling to me. Enjoy your game, I hope they will reward you with many more breaking changes, even better matchmaking and more arcade.
I appreciate your good intention. Have you ever played Unranked in SEA? I do not think so and so you are blessed to be spared from the insanity. (In a nutshell, it is unplayable because in 9 out of 10 games they just abandon or are 6 year old children on the community account. These are not normal people like in WEU. These are homeless kids dodging school and the abuse at home. I have witnessed hell, trust me.)
This patch has some issues but lets wait a little bit hope they nerf amd balance this
Like u remember when they released monkey king?
Jesus lord that hero was so broken but they nerfed the sh... Out of him and then buffed him so he finally got balanced
And also not all changes this patch are imba or bad.like many spells dont pierce bkb now so carries can do damage easier
Kunkka wont 1 shot ur whole team cuase he got those rappiers
And many more good stuff
So best thing to do is w8 for balancing patch
I don't know why people who've played 99% of their games in the same 1-2 nearby servers think they know how good or bad other servers around the world are.
Ramtin *H*, sensible post. In general I would have agreed and I even like some of the changes, like the TP slot.
Also I had no problem when they released Centaur or MK or Grimstroke.
But this time it is just too much and too many changes just for the sake of change, They lost compass. Why did they change/destroy Kotl completely? It's just merchandising, just about making more money. Not about a better or more balanced game. A good game would remove frustration, not amplify it.
And it does not matter if you adopt. They will just let you hop through more rings. Like the hamster in his wheel, trying to run faster.
"I don't know why people who've played 99% of their games in the same 1-2 nearby servers think they know how good or bad other servers around the world are."
I have played 40% in SEA, 30 % in WEU and 10% in EEU. (I travel alot.)
@peter, dude I have like 200 more ranked games than you do, and I've only played in SEA, I've played more than 600 lp games as well, according to you, normal games should be a shit hole so what do you think about a single draft game in SEA? My games are pretty nice in SD too, I don't understand why a 1k guy would ever worry about hero winrate that much, in your bracket anything works, pick Slark win your games, it's that simple! Or go pos4 or something! I mean what's this hate towards peenoise, in my party games with my friends(they are like 2k) I do get peenoise who are retards. Not in my solo games, it should be an mmr thing! Get good and as u climb you will see things getting better :)
psywire 2 hours ago wrote "The worst part is that its taking nearly 15-20mins for me to find a solo ranked roles game as a support, then I spend 40mins in it only to lose. So I give up, no more ranked for me until things are fixed."
I only can agree. This patch makes it clear to me, that Valve does not like me to play their game. That's ok. I am sad because I really loved the game, but they clearly have lost any interest in providing a good game:
1) matchmaking is worse than ever, like Archon 5 vs 5 Guardian 2 or 3
2) at the same time, the game lost its "come back" mechanic, which means: the Archon 5 wins his lane and so the game is lost
3) Meepo is just a sick joke, yesterday I lost a game against a 40:1 meepo and the immediately I won a game with a 38:2 Meepo
I do not know what mission they have, but they clearly lost their interest in the best game ever made. To me it looks like they want to destroy it, I just would love to understand the reason.
They seem to hate pubs.They really wanted to amplify all the weirdnes of pubs, especially for SEA. They succeeded big! Well done Valve! Just sad, I loved this game so much (although I was never good at it.)
^@Peter : I guess you can change your state of mind instead of seeing only the bad sides of things.
Playing against players with a higher MMR is good :
- You get out of your confort zone and have to give you best
- You actually improve and learn instead of assimilating your MMR pool mistakes
- It's more rewarding & challenging if you manage to win a game against stronger players
Completely wrong. Moreover, people who tend to be fed make more mistakes blinded by their lead. And even in the opposite scenario when fed_B0Y plays too safe afk farming and hiding, he will eventually miss a fight in which your team can grab dem kills 5v4 to get online (Vision, SoD, Deward, communication is key).
You are right, playing against meepo when you draft with your brain is a joke : https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4235757400
You can stalk people on dotabuff during drafting BTW (last pick meepo spammer scenario l0lolz)
Are you meaning that the product manager/owner is rolling for LoL or HoN ???
Was playing EUW all my life and started playing in SEA this month (moved IRL) and yes I found SEA pubs weird:
- The guys think it's overthrow and mid becomes a 4v4 minute 3. Even underfarmed/leveled cores rotate mid to gank without CCs O_O
- People think they are banelings and that running one by one at you will get you kill somehow O_O (AoE explosion)
- I MISS MY BELOVED RUSSIANS AND THEIR ACCENT.
TLDR: Be positive.
"Stop complaining and see the things on the brighter side."
No. I anticipate that there are people like you who enjoy this shit and constant pain. Have fun! You want to be matched with braindead peenoise. Be my guest. I guess, you are the customers Valve is looking for. Awesome.
But for me, no more. Enjoy your S&M relationship.
" I guess you can change your state of mind instead of seeing only the bad sides of things."
This statement alone says it all. You would not buy a new BWW model, which looks like shit trying to "change your state of mind", only because you drove BMW for all of your life.
I drive a car when I like it. If they release shit, I look for a better model or brand. That's it. I will never understand why it should be different with Dota, although I anticipate that Valve is just looking for the "most possible games/customers", not for good games/customers.
Just switch to LoL, lol... :D
Last but not least: Winrate was never spread so far (36% OD vs 57 Luna). That is 21% proven imbalance and though broken by design, speaking after the 2nd! hotfix (7.20c).
Believe in what you want, I understand statistics and these numbers just show a broken game.
@Peter : I guess you should read the guidelines & conduct of this forum, but it might cause too much pain to you to read it all :)
I talked about getting out of your confort zone, learning and improving. You are just stating my point about CHANGING and not staying static in your confort zone.
It's accurate that we get everything in life without striving.
I said in CAPS that I wanted to be matched with Russians.
It's accurate that TI prize pool & business model doesn't show that they have good customers and that Dota is aiming casual players like LoL.
Peter, play unranked til ur gud
Patch 7.20 is easy MMR if u learn it and abuse it
@Sygma.Pride: We obviously live very different lives in very different worlds. Fascinating, but not compelling to me. Enjoy your game, I hope they will reward you with many more breaking changes, even better matchmaking and more arcade.
Have fun!
@Peter Hagendorf: Sorry if I went harsh on you.
Yes that's what we are looking for.
"Peter, play unranked til ur gud"
I appreciate your good intention. Have you ever played Unranked in SEA? I do not think so and so you are blessed to be spared from the insanity. (In a nutshell, it is unplayable because in 9 out of 10 games they just abandon or are 6 year old children on the community account. These are not normal people like in WEU. These are homeless kids dodging school and the abuse at home. I have witnessed hell, trust me.)
I’d have to take your word on that. But it would take out the stress of ranked mismatching.
Honestly though, seems like you just need to brush up on your skills then you’ll be fine.
@Peter Hagendorf: Sorry if I went harsh on you.
No need for. I am happy that you found what you were looking for.
This patch has some issues but lets wait a little bit hope they nerf amd balance this
Like u remember when they released monkey king?
Jesus lord that hero was so broken but they nerfed the sh... Out of him and then buffed him so he finally got balanced
And also not all changes this patch are imba or bad.like many spells dont pierce bkb now so carries can do damage easier
Kunkka wont 1 shot ur whole team cuase he got those rappiers
And many more good stuff
So best thing to do is w8 for balancing patch
And btw about this top topics is Sea server this bad? I mean like worse than russians? I play on EUW so I dont know really
OD is broken. Win-rate means nth.
unranked SEA here,
everything is fine people just like to exaggerate it.
I don't know why people who've played 99% of their games in the same 1-2 nearby servers think they know how good or bad other servers around the world are.
Ramtin *H*, sensible post. In general I would have agreed and I even like some of the changes, like the TP slot.
Also I had no problem when they released Centaur or MK or Grimstroke.
But this time it is just too much and too many changes just for the sake of change, They lost compass. Why did they change/destroy Kotl completely? It's just merchandising, just about making more money. Not about a better or more balanced game. A good game would remove frustration, not amplify it.
And it does not matter if you adopt. They will just let you hop through more rings. Like the hamster in his wheel, trying to run faster.
"I don't know why people who've played 99% of their games in the same 1-2 nearby servers think they know how good or bad other servers around the world are."
I have played 40% in SEA, 30 % in WEU and 10% in EEU. (I travel alot.)
Can you please learn how to quote properly. [ quote ] blah blah blah [ /quote ] with no spaces
@peter, dude I have like 200 more ranked games than you do, and I've only played in SEA, I've played more than 600 lp games as well, according to you, normal games should be a shit hole so what do you think about a single draft game in SEA? My games are pretty nice in SD too, I don't understand why a 1k guy would ever worry about hero winrate that much, in your bracket anything works, pick Slark win your games, it's that simple! Or go pos4 or something! I mean what's this hate towards peenoise, in my party games with my friends(they are like 2k) I do get peenoise who are retards. Not in my solo games, it should be an mmr thing! Get good and as u climb you will see things getting better :)