I've learned from first hand experience that when u see someone suiciding and you know already chances are he wont make it, you just have to leave him die and go back to avoid giving the enemy 2 kills instead of 1.
That is the best advice i can give you
haha yoshi so u finally got the idea
btw past tense of "learn" is "learnt" afair
@op
if you are better than other ppl in ur bracket, in longrun u will win more, no matter which role u play. if u r losing, you are doing something wrong urself. e other 9 players are on average equal to rach other (there is some deviation, but in both directions). accept it, focus on ur own performance and improve urself.
@Triple
Ahahaha, yeah, I finally understood and that may also be one of the reasons I've improved :P
Also: [URL=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/learnt-vs-learned]read here noob[/URL]
I'm still climbing mmr (35/36xx) as well, but I try to focus on my own plays. (Zoning out offlaner, gank rotations, camp stacking, etc).
I also try to play supports who are a bit more independent, which is why I stopped playing rubick for now because you rely too much on your team to take advantage of the spells you take (because they don't seem to pay attention to chat for spell stolen).
I used to get pissed off (on the inside) when my team mates would suck and not take advantage of the things i give them (vision, stacks, etc), but that's not going to do anything. Just play the best you can, and eventually someone will take advantage of that if you are really playing at a decent level.
If your team is going yolo you have to go yolo with them as support. If you are truly better than your mmr you can outplay the other team and make it work. If you stay back and let them die because you don't believe it is the optimal play you will just lose and decrease your odds from 54% to 46% and when climbing mmr that lil bit above 50% is what makes you rise or fall. Better to take a chance of winning vs a guarantee loss.
Look at this:
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1793894074
Tell me how can you win as a support. Being a support means you try your very best to place ward/help etc. and PRAY that the players in your team have at least some notion of Dota play. But usually I just get idiots. Thank you Gaben.
Regards,
Gecko
PS: BTW, have you ever heard of a Jungle CM? There is a JUNGLE CM in one of my games too. She even bought herself a Midas. Absolute classic.
there is no way you could consistently get retarded teammates unless you are retarded as well. otherwise you would win a lot and climb untill you start playing with people of your level. that's so obvious yet so hard to accept.
It is harder to climb through lower MMRs with support heroes if you try to play them the same way you would play with Very High players.
If you are supporting 4k+ players they typically can lasthit if you protect them. But a 3k player will miss a ton of lasthits no matter how well you protect them. This shifts the value of your time toward stacking camps and away from baby sitting the lane.
It changes how you should ward. In a 3k game, ward blocking a pull always works. In a 4k+ game it might work if you do it well. In a 5k+ game ward blocked camps are quickly dewarded.
The higher the MMR of the game the more valueable lane wards are. In a 3k game people might be angry if you ward anthing but the rune spots. But at higher levels you really need good lane wards and it becomes more and more important to place them when you are not visible so they will not be easily dewarded.
If you want to climb MMR as a support player and you are legitimately more skilled than your current MMR you have to be aggresive. Aggresively ganking and porting into fights to turn them is how you win such games as a support hero. If you can outplay enemies, but you don't take every opportunity to prove this eventually the carries will get fat, some nub will feed late game, and rax will die when you can't do anything about it.
Once you are at a high MMR for your personal skills, you won't be able to play as aggresively anymore because you will get outplayed attempting the same moves. But its necessary to take risks to move up... assume that you can blink into 3 heroes as Shadow Shaman, disalbe two and ward trap the 3rd, because if you really are much better than them you can do this. If you are not, then they will react before you can execute it.
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It's hard to say with your smurf stats, but it looks like bounty hunter might be the only hero you can play in Very High games and win.
5200 that plays more than my fair share of support:
1. Don't buy dumb ass items with early gold .Your early gold does not, ever, under any circumstances ever need to be spent on a stick or a wand. EVER. Seeing a wand earlier than like level 10 is a giant flag to me that that guy is probably a moron. Early game gold needs to be spent on (roughly in order of priority) courier, a starting observer for mid lane (never ever rune, rarely the safe), and some pooled regen. The offlane can buy his own ward. Buying shit like circlets or wands or whatever else is a giant waste. Sentrys are an every game need v BH. I can't stress this enough, spend your starting gold wisely. If I can get my offlaner or other support to do it, I'll buy boots first, but I don't really recommend it unless you know what you're doing. Don't buy shit like multiple salves early, it's super fucking pointless and ultimately just a waste of gold. The courier needs to be upgraded at 3 minutes every game.
2. Do something. Your job as a support is not to sit in the lane and watch your carry CS. The only time this should be the case is if you're on the cusp of a level. It's fine if you're level 5 10 minutes in, really, it is. Obviously this differs on some heroes, but sitting there and leeching xp while not actively busy is the worst shit ever.
3. The mid needs hard camp stacks. Do it. If your mid is pigheaded and the stacks aren't cleared by 10 minutes just clear them yourself. But if your mid is something like Lesh / Storm / Lina / SF etc, just give them stacks. If your mid is TA stack the ancients.
4. Pulling is the most overrated mechanic in the entire history of dota and I basically guarantee your mmr would rise if you just never did it at all. The amount of players that are actually capable of making this an advantage to their team rather than a disadvantage is phenomenally small, like less than 2% for sure. Never ever ever pull for the first wave (with the only exception being your safelaner is something like Bristle or Bloodseeker who can both tank creeps and cs under the tower). This is worthless and loses lanes. Your goal at level 1 should be trading your regen for the offlaners (or, if you're like me, the opposing mid).
5. Get boots as soon as possible, but don't neglect upgrading the courier to do so. Being Lion or CM or something and having a magic stick and no courier / boots at 12 minutes is so useless.
6. After the first 5-6 minutes, carry a TP at all times. Obviously you have to evaluate when to use it, and if its not giving or protecting from a kill, there's no point.
7.Don't spam waves. Christ, I can't say this enough. I see so many support players that spam waves thinking that somehow helps. It doesn't. You don't need gold, let your carry deal with it.
8. It's almost always beneficial to trade your life to not have one of your cores die, there is very rarely a time this isn't the case. If you can guarantee their living at your own cost just eat it.
9. There are small things that can be done on a game to game basis that are higher mmr things. Things like warding spots, the tp/bottle trick,
10. Picks matter, to a degree. There are people that just pick a hero and think heh he's a support I'll do great! No. If you're against shit like Bristle / SF / Am / Silencer / BH don't pick Rubick. You will add literally nothing to the fucking game. If you're going against a hero like Huskar don't pick support Lina and think you're going to be worth a shit cause of an item you'll never have the farm to get. Some heroes are good just about every game -- heroes like Earthshaker Wyvern Witch Doctor are seldomly bad. Heroes like AA Rubick, even the 60% winrate heroes in Aba and Omni, aer far from every game picks. You need to have a general conception of what you're attempting to do and not be actively leeching xp/gold in the process. Heroes like Omni and Rubick have a hard time doing this. Think about what the other team has and what you have and either try to make what you do better or what they do worse. Some heroes just don't do this at all. You have SF and Tiny allies, you can't pick a jungler. You have a Storm mid and AM safe (heroes that can't make their own space til 15 minutes minimum) you can't pick a passive shit support. Think about what you're doing. If the other team is showing Undying / TA as their first two picks, don't pick Lich as there's literally never a point you'll be worth anything.
11. Lose the static builds. You don't need to pick the same skills in the same order every game. This is lazy and just pointless. I'm thinking of this specifically with Wyvern as like 90% of the builds are 1-3-1 which is fucking terrible and has no thought into it at all, and the various Vengeful spirits out there that go 4-1-1. Just lazy awful shit. Think about what you're leveling something. There are rare heroes that can have a solid build all the time.
Last -- look at the clock. Always. ALWAYS. Know when runes spawn, when its time to stack, when anything. If you're meandering about the jungle at 43 just stay a few more seconds and stack the hard camp. If you're tping to lane anyway and your mid doesn't have a bottle, refill mids bottle.
Also, this is more of an opinion less fact thing, but Solar Crest is the best item in the game right now and is somehow being overlooked in favor of glimmer. Get it. Get it on more heroes than you're getting it on. I rush it on WW most games.
I'm 3.8k mmr hard support player and one of the biggest things you can do is smoke ganging the enemy mid early. If you have a good hero for this (Lion/Rubick etc.) and can pull it off it makes a huge difference in getting your mid to snowball and boosting your teams' confidence. You just need to communicate with the mid about the exact moment to go, sometimes the mid will go to soon and scare them away. Also rune control in laning phase.
@Lars
1. Wand is the most cost efficient item in the game, it saves lives, it wins fights. Must have.
2. It's ok to sit in lane and watch your carry CS. Worst shit is if you try to do something and die in process.
3. Stacking works rarely...
4. Same as stacking...
5. Can't disagree.
6. It is basic rule to always carry TP.
7. Ok.
8. You both will die.
9. Ok.
10. So true. Counterpicking doesn't exist in pubs. More like random picks or "I have shiny set for this hero".
11. Venge and Wyvern are very flexible heroes. Every skill build variation for them has its uses.
Magic Wand is best item. Solar Crest - just situational.
Solar Crest isn't situational on Wyvern aside from 'someone on your team can do physical damage'. It's a long stun and fits everything the hero does well. Ult, use it on the target of an ult. Magic Wand is good at a certain in mid game, but it loses its slot quickly. My problem with it is 465 gold that entirely too many people spend gold on in lieu of boots wards courier upggrades or tp scrolls. Pointless. If you have your boots of choice, vision is taken care of, and you dont need to worry about other items, sure, go for it. But I'd guess the average time for buying this item is under 10 minutes and at that point you'll never make efficient use of the charges and other things could just do more.
Stacking works always and honestly it's just assumed that it's done at 5k. I don't know how this is even a debate. Stacking a hard camp and pulling are not the same thing. You need to have hard camp stacks to accelerate your mid (and, help you get levels).
What's your take on supports getting dagon if they are ahead? I see it too often that people get dagon 3-4 when a shiva's, ac, sheepstick, orchid or some similar utility item would've been way better choice, and then basically throw their money without any utility aside from some burst damage.
"What's your take on supports getting dagon if they are ahead?"
Chances are your cores probably already have enough damage to kill your opponents and what you need more than damage is utility. So get items that will prevent them from killing or kiting your cores so they can dish out their damage.
I mostly play supp on solo mmr.I climed from 3.3k to 4.1k this month.It is not about your teammates because other team is bad as your teammates.OFC you will have games where your carry will fail you but you can create big game impact as a supp early on.If you need any questions add me on steam
When playing solo and you want to improve your MMR, only play broken heroes. I only recently started playing ranked, and all I've done is play heroes like Storm Spirit or Silencer or Leshrekt. Ask your teammates to also pick broken and you can win most of your games, guaranteed.
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Tldr just pick bloodcyka I literally gained 200 MMR in one day from spamming bloodcyka safe lane and just dumpstering enemy team
@Lars
30% miss chance from Solar Crest is wasted if you use it on stunned enemy. Medallion is good enough, no need to upgrade.
Like you said: "you don't need to pick the same skills in the same order every game", - same is true for items.
P.S. Sometimes I buy Stick or even a whole Wand right from the start and there is nothing wrong with it.
P.P.S. Hell, if enemy team has Bristleback, I buy two Magic Wands and there is nothing wrong with it too!
@ｊｏ～
Courier, Obs. Ward x2, Stick, Tango = 595 gold. It's definitely legit. Also helps in first rune fight.
Sometimes I use my special "ultimate ward bitch" itembuild:
Courier, Obs. Ward x2, Ring of Regen = 620 gold.
Give Ring of Regen to your safe lane carry, let him solo and make jungle stacks for first ~10 minutes. Just make sure to stand nearby when your team will kill stacks to get some XP (you will be lvl 1 at that time).
@Kitrak
Obviously you have to adapt your itembuild for every match.
BTW, solo offlaners becoming less and less popular.
yea adapting sure, you definitely do not start with that item. the main theme of safe lane is supression, and supression items are stuff like consumables/boots/stats for double spell, you dont start a lane immediately thinking you need to play the fighting game. if you have a good environment to zone the offlane und/zeus/bb(w/e heroes you think is viable to start stick with) they wont even get the appropriate space to spam their spells
there is also no way you do not carry at least 1 clarity as a support
Lets take a common situation as example: there is jungling Bloodseeker in your team, you are solo support Dazzle with carry Spectre vs Undying + Leshrac duo offlaners.
Suppression failed by default. Stick? Sure!
My point is that people like you call GG and start to feed couriers after a bad start 10 minutes in. All you know is what to do when your team is ahead and stomping.
"im looking through your last few games and i find no evidence of a hard duo lane against a shitty support + shitty carry + jungler"
Check my last game. It was me (Wyvern) + AM vs SF + Dazzle. AM immediately gave first blood and left this lane. I was soloing it after that.
"U won't know for sure it's a duo off that's the thing...."
Look at enemy team lineup, imagine the worst possible offlane combo (for you) and it will come true.
Pessimistic DOTA...
@Kitrak
Do you think that Wyvern + AM is stronger duo than SF + Dazzle?
You underestimating Raze, I think. It's 100x3=300 magical damage at lvl 1.
That was how AM died in attempt to kill his first creep Raze x3 + Poison Touch + few rightclicks... Easy...
I'm with Kitrak. You get the stick when you are laning already.
1) What happens in the off chance the enemy bristle doesn't go to the offlane and you get someone like centaur? Lanes in pubs get switched up a lot and there are times when people don't normally go where they are supposed to go.
If you get regen on the other hand, you'll be able to used this to harass the enemy offlane. Sticks don't give you enough regen to trade 1v1 at level 1 even if they are spamming their spells.
Even if you don't need the regen, you can pool these to your carry then move on from there.
2) If you feel like you're going to be against a tri lane or someone like BB with another hero spamming spells, just save the 200 gold then get it right as they show in lane so you are sure your item isn't useless. However, I don't agree with saving gold. It is a much better investment to get a sentry to deny them of their vision and either force them out of lane or make them over extend.
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I mostly play on supports and i have no idea how to raise my mmr, i went from 38** to 36**, Every time i play support, i suck my teammates dicks and and they actually fuck me so hard so i think i don't play but record new porno video. I only want to win every game, win is everything, sometimes my mid or carry play for fun and I lose game, When i try to go mid or go for carry, my supports take bounty runes or do not pull/help/buy wards/make escape items or play for themselves. People don't listen to me because i am not mid or carry, so every time i ask people to get back and don't fight, they go forward and fight, so i have to help them and mostly we suck. I wanted to stop playing solo mmr and play Party mmr only, but dota is a fucking drug, you will never stop playing this game... Are there any possible things i can do to improve my solo mmr, or i just have to really quit playing solo mmr on supports and play party only