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MLG Quickscoper 420 Kushlord

    How is skill bracket determined? Is it just based on mmr, or what? I just played a game and dotabuff says it was high skill, but I'm only like 3-4k mmr. Seems weird
    http://dotabuff.com/matches/636306735

    Strongmind

      Its not weird its high not very high

      MLG Quickscoper 420 Kushlord

        What is the cuttoff for high skill?

        kanye went to uni

          I remember reading somewhere that Valve looks at the end game stats and determines skill tiers that way; I don't think it's based on MMR (although of course there'd be a correlation).

          According to Dotamax 'High' approximately correlates to 3.2-3.8k MMR.

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          MLG Quickscoper 420 Kushlord

            okay thanks i guess I just don't consider myself high skill XD

            Cronos

              I think it's something like:
              0 - 3200 mmr = normal
              3200 - 3700 mmr = high
              3700+ mmr = very high

              Dizzy

                idk how its determined because my last game was "Very High" and 3 of the dudes on my team where probably like 3k mmr or lower

                Dizzy

                  idk it wasnt an mmr game but they lacked alot of common knowledge of the game

                  Nemesis

                    i think valve just uses terms like "normal" and "high" to make people feel better about themselves

                    just like those people citing the statistics from unranked to "prove" that "lol my 2900 mmr is way above average"

                    the way they determine the brackets is based on the average MMR of both teams.

                    also whoever told u people > 5k or near 5k can't get into "high" bracket games is lying, i think liquid'tc queued -sd once and probably had 11 minute wait time and had a normal bracket game, lulz

                    i'm clearing my lpq games on my 4700 MMR solo account and i got placed in a "high" bracket game (so i assume i got 3k trashbags) after something ridiculous like 9 min search time and alas, they were all awful and i was expected to win with those guys against 3800-4300 mmr lesser shitbags

                    either way i just think of lpq as good practice since i'm bound to get games like those in actual ranked matches where my entire team feeds and is useless and comes off as sub 4k idiots so w/e, idk why everyone cries about LPQ when at worst it's similar to the extremely lopsided ranked matches

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                    kanye went to uni

                      Actually I always wondered - did Dota 2 have Low, Normal and High before they changed it to Normal, High and Very High? I have this faint memory of it in the back of my head but I can't be sure ... does anyone here remember this or am I mad?

                      Nemesis

                        i didn't play beta but i wouldn't be surprised; normal and high are just euphemisms for being retarded/beyond awful and slightly less retarded/slightly less awful. "low" seems offensive enough already LOL

                        just like the unranked statistics showing how 4100 is top 1%, when people in that bracket are still pretty bad.

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                        kanye went to uni

                          :( I was so excited and proud when I found out I was finally solo queuing into High lol; I was always 100% Normal until about a year ago.

                          Nemesis

                            don't worry about it, i've been in a bad mood recently so i'm flaming everyone

                            fact is everyone at some point was a trashcan (mb i still am trash with 4700 solo/4900 party, depends on who you ask), if u have a good attitude and take advice from better players, you can improve very quickly.

                            one guy who i played with a while back was completely new to dota 2.5 years ago (i flamed him once, which was a big mistake cuz i'm awful compared to him now), he's 5.7k mmr and his individual skill level even in tournaments/competitive games is comparable to some pros.

                            then you have people who started playing dota since it came out in 2004 and probably are 3500-4000 players. ofc most people on dotabuff assume these guys are just "retarded," after all how can you do something for 10 years and still suck at it? but how long you played has no relevance to how good you are (i mean you can't get good with 100 hours of gameplay, but 2 people who put in 3000 hours can be at completely different skill levels) and some people just don't care enough to get better, which is perfectly OK.

                            i'd say it's ~25% natural talent (motor skills, analytical abilities) and the rest is your own effort. i'd say anyone who puts enough effort can maintain 4k+ without much trouble, anything past 5k is pretty much your natural talent since you're already far above and beyond most players

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                            6_din_49

                              I think 3300 is the edge between normal and high. I noticed we don't get brackets when there are parties, even if both members have similar mmrs. But on the other hand at the end of the game we don't see their solo mmr, so probably that's why the system thinks the numbers might not be accurate.

                              Last night I played in party with someone who has 3.9k solo mmr and 3k party mmr, so we had like 900 mmr advantage only from him. Party mmr is quite messy.

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                              ICE SKULL

                                just play dark souls 2 or sro mething else

                                dota 2 is fucking tedious

                                Nemesis

                                  not true, my 2 most recent games were both in party and the brackets are visible.

                                  Nemesis

                                    wave kami after i get 5k (which should happen in the next 2-3 days) can i take ur spot and flame sub-5k people

                                    ICE SKULL

                                      yeah

                                      but really dark souls 2 or aom mythology is better than dota

                                      ICE SKULL

                                        fuck dota 2

                                        Nemesis

                                          agreed dota's awful as fuck

                                          Zahard

                                            dark souls sucks

                                            ICE SKULL

                                              haha yeah dota is so much better right? dota is demoralizing and tedious fucking thank god japanese overlords gave us dark souls

                                              Zahard

                                                didn't say dota is any better. but i honestly dont enjoy dark souls

                                                ICE SKULL

                                                  cuz ur a goddamn 3k mmr player in dark souls

                                                  Nemesis

                                                    mmr is everywhere nao