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General Discussion@ Glimmer of Dawn (Need help to improve support game play)

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Frozen Dragon

    I need help to improve my support game play. (I mainly play as pos. 4 or 5)

    Have been having trouble lately with huge losing streaks. (7 - 10 games in a row)

    Any help will be welcome.

    Thanks in advance!

    Win: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5016875352

    Loss: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5016807446

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    parmaviolets

      I can already tell you that you arent buying enough wards

      Kowareta

        try to understand why gpm talent is better than +200 finger damage, u can reach to my mmr.

        parmaviolets

          try to understand why gpm talent is better than +200 finger damage, u can reach to my mmr.

          try to understand how to engage people in a way that actually helps them learn instead of being a massive ass everytime you write anything to anybody.

          Kowareta

            im actually tried to help him, dont like or have motivation to write an essay about obvious stuff.
            if he dont understand why gpm is better, he can just ask another question here and i will tell him my reasons.

            + im not ass to everybody, dont get me wrong.

            oh w8, i forgot that center of the world and functional life thingy, being ass to parmaChan and her non-autistic frenChans means u are ass to everybody

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            parmaviolets

              yeah well the way you write demonstrates that you have 0 social skills and therefore are in no position to teach or motivate anybody to do anything. why not write;

              Hey, you know that the gpm talent is more useful that the finger damage, since you have more versatility and a better ability to outward your enemies. Most of the damage on your team comes from your cores so higher finger damage isnt necessary friend.

              Instead you write some ape like comment.

              try to understand
              implies that the op is incapable of understanding your basic advice
              u can reach to my mmr.
              belittle the op by flexing your fake ancient 7 medal that you got from party stacks.

              daily dose of dopamine

                belittle the op by flexing your fake ancient 7 medal that you got from party stacks.

                Implying your Ancient 3 is not given to you for the same reason?

                Btw, how sweet is it that 2k mmr tries to help 1.9k mmr, lul.

                Kowareta

                  hahaha look my normal skill parmaChan talking about fake medal xD xD
                  pretends never ends.
                  yeah i got 2 star after i calibrated my party mmr (3k btw), i shouldnt played dota with my friends. m'bad.
                  and i've always called my medal anshit, stop pretending plz. i've always said 4ks are trashes.
                  i just meant i cant help him further, maybe in higher ranks actually dmg is better, thats the beauty of dota :)

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                  parmaviolets

                    Thats right children, let it all out for the world to see. Very cute <3

                    Kowareta

                      are u ok? :-S

                      parmaviolets

                        LegendaryHD


                          What do you see in this picture above?
                          A bad support? Or a good support?

                          If you think this is a bad support then you're right and you are a good support, because this Abaddon only cares about his team and not himself which makes him bad, it's okay to buy some items to yourself.

                          In your case I see that you lack buying support item because you lack gold and because you always let your carries took all the farm and there is nothing left for you and it's not good, take some of them for yourself but don't be a dick and take every creep waves.

                          Also try to play more safe and roaming more if possible, also stack more for your carry and coordinate with him when and what camps because enemy can take it.

                          Overall it's good.

                          Feachairu

                            @legendaryhd

                            ok that's a really bad support that belongs in 100 mmr or maybe 1k

                            wtf

                            buy magic stick 200g at least and raindrops +bracers

                            t'EkAaluK??

                              What the fuck is wrong with that aba yikes

                              t'EkAaluK??

                                @frozen dragon Instead of rushing aghs, if your team losing go for glimmer, there's no point on saving 4200 gold when your team getting pawned all over the map, and yeah the gpm talent is 90% a better choice everytime

                                t'EkAaluK??

                                  AND AS ANY ROLE PLEASE DO NOT TP FOR FARM

                                  ky:le

                                    Playing support doesnt mean u cant whack a couple creeps, just be smart about it

                                    Rimuru

                                      If you play support just remember this " how can i tilt my enemy" do this, and you are good to go

                                      parmaviolets

                                        In your case I see that you lack buying support item because you lack gold and because you always let your carries took all the farm and there is nothing left for you and it's not good, take some of them for yourself but don't be a dick and take every creep waves.

                                        You say this but OP still found the cash to get aghs. I like what Kurwareta said about the talent choices cause the reality is that the finger of death damage is simply useless compared to the extra cash. If you take the GPM you can afford an extra 2 wards a minute without even having to take last hits. I think GPM talents on supports are super potent and definitely give you an advantage. The GPM talents on Lion and Crystal Maiden for example allow you to ward as much as 2 supports or prioritise slightly more luxurious items such as BKB on Maiden and Aghs on Lion without having to worry about losing vision.

                                        parmaviolets

                                          Another thing, your xpm seems to be very low in both of these games. Whilst it is obviously normal for support heros to have less xpm than your cores you should farm more or stay closer to waves in downtime to make sure you arent falling behind in XP, tomes are important and you need to be in teamfights as a support! Your kill participation is low in both of your games when the reality is that you want to be present for as many rotations and kills as possible, not only to support your team with your disables but so that you can ward deeper into enemy territory whilst their team is dead.

                                          I see that you like to play as a 5 stack and yet your cores are taking tomes which is very greedy! Whilst it kinda makes sense for Invoker since he is XP dependent, your drow should not be taking xp.
                                          Take this game for instance where I play a pos 4 Mirana --> https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4996645192 notice how all of the tomes are shared between me and the Lion. I was roaming this game so needed the XP and the other tome goes to Lion since he has less xp gain as a support. Also notice how me and this Lion both have equal kill participation to the cores. It is essential that as a support to be in these fights!

                                          An example of a game where I lose as a support, notice how my xpm still is in line with my cores and that the tomes are divided between the supports --> https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4977754961 Also pay attention to how me and the Ogre have equal kill participation to our cores.

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                                          Kowareta

                                            after fake medal now im kurwa-reta too
                                            am i mirror parmaChan? or we are best couple ever? we have too much in common if thats the case :)

                                            Lantern of Dreams

                                              I’m very busy and have a few things I owe people already... maybe i can help after but no promises

                                              LegendaryHD

                                                Btw if anyone wondering who is the person above me you are in the right post.

                                                He is (G)limmer (o)f (D)awn or for short God.

                                                Kowareta

                                                  :gross:

                                                  Good person

                                                    Invite me my good sir, we can support together if you play in SEA server

                                                    Lantern of Dreams

                                                      @LegendaryHD

                                                      I think God would have a better winrate