Im not an atention whoore. This thread is just because of my curiousity. And I want to see how this ridiculous patch will influence dota community. Maybe it wont - we will see. Anyway half of my steam_friends already quited.
however the players must have left because on the 7.00 patch.
like dota 1 players been playing and mastering the same map for over 5 years now, change that and they dislike it. on top of that, add new mechanics such as talent, remove stats, introduce treetop jumping monkey king... most people always tend to dislike new drastic changes to something they like.
like i play some other mmo and a lot of players quit when they introduced a new spell system which prevented players from using all the spells they have at once - it was an amazing change and greatly improved the balance, but people still quit even though the game became so much better.
^Ure right, but why changing something that already used to be amazing in its simpliness? Massive changes to the concept that gave this game a title of "king of e-sport".
Quality over quantity - i assumed the oposite in my thesis.
1. Drastic game changes akin to the introduction of the Reborn client, when the drop in players was even bigger.
2. Broken unbalanced pub hero meta: Monkey King, Necrophos, Slark and Pudge, who never get nerfed. Almost the same cancer as the old Troll-Sniper meta or Lina-Leshrac meta.
Once the 7.00 becomes more stable and rebalances take place, playerbase will surge up again.
Benao wow your sounds so self righteous and full of yourself, you think you've got everything figured out. If this is just your perspective of a fucking video game and you already show these signs of retardation I can only imagine what you must be in real life.
Good riddance btw. You're a fucking dogshit player with a dogshit attitude living a dogshit life, who the fuck spends thousands of hours in a GAME and STILL SUCKS. The LPQ shone a little bit brighter when some retard left, one miraculous day one month ago.
Well lex. Herein lies the paradox of what dota is built on. I always wondered why so many changes had to be made, so many new additions constantly. To me I sAw it as unsustainable to constantly add change. But the way the community and icefrog see it is that the change is essential to the game. Metas have to keep evolving. New mechanics are added all the time. What makes this game enjoyable will also be its downfall eventually if they cannot find an equilibrium resting state. 6.88 was gold. I could play it for a long time. But everyone was complaining.
@pedro please shut the fuck up normal skill fail smurf. Little shitface can't make a smurf and get vhs, holy shit you bad dude. I bet your main is 6k right?
"2. Broken unbalanced pub hero meta: Monkey King, Necrophos, Slark and Pudge, who never get nerfed. Almost the same cancer as the old Troll-Sniper meta or Lina-Leshrac meta."
You find pudge unbalanced? 0.o
*edit* Currently at 12 pm on a wednesday there are 625k people on dota... with a peak for today at 787k so i think dodo is still happy with its player base
Tbh dota isnt valves only big hitter, they have csgo now too, so theyre experimentingand shit. Actually what jacked said is so true, they want to change shit up cuz at least FOR ME PERSONALLY patch 6.88 was damn fine, but after a couple of months it just gets old. However there r the exact opposite people who never want a beloved patch to go away and a balance between these 2 mentalities is key. But yea just bump this thread until a true trend can be found, 7.xx is only out for a month.
Whoever said single player is dead is a moron, or have you never heard of civilization 5/6, the witcher 3, dark souls 3, dragon age inqusition, fallout 4, mass effect series and other HUGE sellers? These games sell millions, sometimes 10s of millions of copies.
Anyway, regarding dota you guys also forget the number of concurrent players is also somewhat meaningless. The only thing you can see through steam is players current in game. Maybe addicts are gone, maybe total number of players is more but they play less frequently. Unique players is probably what valve is more interested in AND how many of those players buy hats. Number of active players is related to how much money they bring in I'm sure, but we don't know how related.
just to set everything clear DOTA 2 is a product, product = money.
how to keep money flow from a product(game in this case) you try to make it better easier and easily accessable for consumer market and in order to keep stable money income you must have growing in the community what valve did in 7.00 is keeping the general conecpt of MOBA game but changed dota mechanics (such as new shrine, talent tree ...) so why did developers choose to implement this concepts to a game that was already successful as I said they want to grow the amount of players which grows the game income this leaves me in a conflect did valve thought about players that have been playing the game for so long or just were trying to do such changes to help the game grow and I know there are players have been playing dota for long time and I have played the game since reborn. for me I enjoyed playing 6.88 more than 7.00
@DireWolf except for witcher and fallout 4 there havent been a lot of gr8 single player games in 2016 (please point out any i may have forgotten abt) and tbh the market is suffering in general (not just single player but also multiplayer) from rlly trashy, poorly released (i mean like bugs and shit at launch) and it honestly has lowered consumer faith a lot. I dunno this sorta nervousness and clear abuse of preorders imo just downplays even the good games, watch dogs 2 being the perfect example, cuz tbh from almost everyone i heard its not a bad game. But combined with the first watch dogs reputation, oversaturation of the open world idea, and crappy experiences from buying other games which have been massive failures, watch dogs 2 has barely sold.
Witcher was amazing, Im looking forward for new Resident Evil.
@Hammer
U didint read, did u? Problem is, amount of players is not growing anyway. Besides, dota veterans usually almost 30 years old, have more money to spend than kids.
Maybe the trend of releasing smaller/moderate patches in like every 2 months would keep the interest up more than releasing a gigantic patch like this after more than half a year of waiting.
@Hammer I played dota for 14 years, not some shrine/talent-tree/constant lp bullshit. Map and skills always changed, roshan armor mov speed everything actually, flying units courier and shit. But when you change the game... fuck volvo and their 7.0 shit, as if it wasn't enough with the comeback mechanic bullshit preventing you to take down structures cause you could always attempt and pray you woudn't feed all your advantage (and more) back
ahahahahahahaha @ how much ppl respond to a rtar writing on this forums thats hes quitting for good. Attention whre detected.
If you quit you quit AND SO DO IT. Fkin kiddo without honor.
Just putting it out there that there are people who like the new patch and changes.
I for one rather enjoy this patch and the upgraded graphics and talent tree. I've been playing Dota since it's inception in WC3 so 14 years too?
This is as per a blog that I read: it's still Dota at the end of the day.
It's a player v player game and no one has an advantage over another. The satisfaction I derive from this game is the ability to win vs another player and this game offer a fantastic and vibrant conduit to achieve this.
It's not perfect but issues highlighted can be resolved and I look forward to better games and I feel the future for Dota 2 and beyond is burning bright with this patch.
Scoring over 85% for 2016- witcher 3 expansion, uncharted 4, dishonored, xcom 2, rise of the tombraider, titanfall 2, dark souls 3, dishonored 2, doom, owlboy, stardew valley, battlefield 1, civ6, ori and the blind forest, total war warhammer.
Those are the critic scores so obviously some of those games actually suck or will have wildly varied user reviews like civ6, but most are close like dark souls is same user score, uncharted a bit lower only. And this doesn't list any of the indie games on steam that are awesome.
Single player is not dead at all. If anything there are too many games so it gets too hard to sort through them all and find what you like.
Got Xcom 2 during the steam sales in December. Money well spent. There are a lot of good Single player games, the problem for most people is that it costs money to buy them and you'll get more playtime out of a good multiplayer game than most single player games. Also people are more likely to get introduced to multiplayer games by friends than single player. Also to play the latest games often requires good specs on your computer, which not everyone can afford to keep up with.
"the problem for most people is that it costs money to buy them"
"Also to play the latest games often requires good specs on your computer, which not everyone can afford to keep up with."
I forget half the dota players are poor and from 3rd world countries basically. That does kind of put a damper on things. But instead of saying there are no good games it should be there are no good free games my shitty pc can run besides dota2.
"Also to play the latest games often requires good specs on your computer, which not everyone can afford to keep up with."
Well I'm super broke but ive managed to put together a $129 desktop that can run all those games maxed out 1080p. Also nearly all single player games are torrent-able.
I don't think money is the issue, its just that people like playing with other people, it offers infinite replayability.
Single player isnt dead, but way more people play multiplayer.
You mean way more people play the same multiplayer games cus there's only a few, while single player there are tons so we all play different ones. Like I play FTL a lot, someone else might play GTA5 a lot, but with both play dota.
I stopped playing dota shortly after 7.0 patch with well over 4000 hrs in the game. I agree with lex's beliefs. And the numbers dont lie. I also belive the truth is in my frinds list nearly all of them i met playing dota and hardly any of them still play.
Thats actually disgusting. 23%? Can u cite that? And of course if ur friends list are full of ur dota 1 old buddies then a lot of the changes wont suit them and theyll quit.
Huge amount of bugs in new patch. Talents r kinda weird but still ok. Shrines, runes and backpack though.. probably changed the way dota is played a lot more than some ppl like. Ppl are fine w hero changes and new items. But this is so different.
Doesnt matter rlly a game cant keep growing forever. Soon the ti prize pools will start leveling off too. Its just the natural life cycle of a game imo.
His last match was three hours ago...
BRING BACK OLD DOTA :v
Dota is BAD DOTA IS RUIN BY 7.00 AND PPL ARE QUITTING SOON DOTA WILL LOST ALL THE PLAYER!
Now can you get the fuck off of Dota and this forum?
Why u still wondering in dota community like an attention seeking kid if u going to quit?
Maybe Part of the quitters are smurf Accounts in lp? Like if my smurf would be in lp id never touch it again.
^ low prio did not came with 7.00 update tho. It was here for years but somehow it only effected last 30 days? u make no sense
Lp was changed recently wasn't it?
^ yes its changed in 5th of november. But quantity of active players increased that month despite that.
November 2016 584,251.3
November 2015 539,536.3
November 2014 528,789.8
the effect of relatively small changes lik ethe LP are usually not felt immediately, just sayin
Lol noone is instand lp After the changes. May it Takes some games to gather Reports?
^^ and ^
Shh don't let those ppl found out way to be smarter.
Im not an atention whoore. This thread is just because of my curiousity. And I want to see how this ridiculous patch will influence dota community. Maybe it wont - we will see. Anyway half of my steam_friends already quited.
@IceTea
Thank you for your precious advice.
Hmmm the LP change makes sense
Bump for more logical theories
Quality over quantity
agreed ^
however the players must have left because on the 7.00 patch.
like dota 1 players been playing and mastering the same map for over 5 years now, change that and they dislike it. on top of that, add new mechanics such as talent, remove stats, introduce treetop jumping monkey king... most people always tend to dislike new drastic changes to something they like.
like i play some other mmo and a lot of players quit when they introduced a new spell system which prevented players from using all the spells they have at once - it was an amazing change and greatly improved the balance, but people still quit even though the game became so much better.
^Ure right, but why changing something that already used to be amazing in its simpliness? Massive changes to the concept that gave this game a title of "king of e-sport".
Quality over quantity - i assumed the oposite in my thesis.
There are 2 reasons.
1. Drastic game changes akin to the introduction of the Reborn client, when the drop in players was even bigger.
2. Broken unbalanced pub hero meta: Monkey King, Necrophos, Slark and Pudge, who never get nerfed. Almost the same cancer as the old Troll-Sniper meta or Lina-Leshrac meta.
Once the 7.00 becomes more stable and rebalances take place, playerbase will surge up again.
6.84 era was way worse I believe.
1. U may be right. Though we will be able to compare this data in a couple of months.
Good point.
If you leave this for half a year the ghosts of mods past will lock this thread.
Benao wow your sounds so self righteous and full of yourself, you think you've got everything figured out. If this is just your perspective of a fucking video game and you already show these signs of retardation I can only imagine what you must be in real life.
Good riddance btw. You're a fucking dogshit player with a dogshit attitude living a dogshit life, who the fuck spends thousands of hours in a GAME and STILL SUCKS. The LPQ shone a little bit brighter when some retard left, one miraculous day one month ago.
Benao being disrespectful to normal skill lmaoo. You are 4k TRASH remember? You will not be missed
Well lex. Herein lies the paradox of what dota is built on. I always wondered why so many changes had to be made, so many new additions constantly. To me I sAw it as unsustainable to constantly add change. But the way the community and icefrog see it is that the change is essential to the game. Metas have to keep evolving. New mechanics are added all the time. What makes this game enjoyable will also be its downfall eventually if they cannot find an equilibrium resting state. 6.88 was gold. I could play it for a long time. But everyone was complaining.
@pedro please shut the fuck up normal skill fail smurf. Little shitface can't make a smurf and get vhs, holy shit you bad dude. I bet your main is 6k right?
"2. Broken unbalanced pub hero meta: Monkey King, Necrophos, Slark and Pudge, who never get nerfed. Almost the same cancer as the old Troll-Sniper meta or Lina-Leshrac meta."
You find pudge unbalanced? 0.o
*edit* Currently at 12 pm on a wednesday there are 625k people on dota... with a peak for today at 787k so i think dodo is still happy with its player base
Tbh dota isnt valves only big hitter, they have csgo now too, so theyre experimentingand shit. Actually what jacked said is so true, they want to change shit up cuz at least FOR ME PERSONALLY patch 6.88 was damn fine, but after a couple of months it just gets old. However there r the exact opposite people who never want a beloved patch to go away and a balance between these 2 mentalities is key. But yea just bump this thread until a true trend can be found, 7.xx is only out for a month.
Whoever said single player is dead is a moron, or have you never heard of civilization 5/6, the witcher 3, dark souls 3, dragon age inqusition, fallout 4, mass effect series and other HUGE sellers? These games sell millions, sometimes 10s of millions of copies.
Anyway, regarding dota you guys also forget the number of concurrent players is also somewhat meaningless. The only thing you can see through steam is players current in game. Maybe addicts are gone, maybe total number of players is more but they play less frequently. Unique players is probably what valve is more interested in AND how many of those players buy hats. Number of active players is related to how much money they bring in I'm sure, but we don't know how related.
just to set everything clear DOTA 2 is a product, product = money.
how to keep money flow from a product(game in this case) you try to make it better easier and easily accessable for consumer market and in order to keep stable money income you must have growing in the community what valve did in 7.00 is keeping the general conecpt of MOBA game but changed dota mechanics (such as new shrine, talent tree ...) so why did developers choose to implement this concepts to a game that was already successful as I said they want to grow the amount of players which grows the game income this leaves me in a conflect did valve thought about players that have been playing the game for so long or just were trying to do such changes to help the game grow and I know there are players have been playing dota for long time and I have played the game since reborn. for me I enjoyed playing 6.88 more than 7.00
@DireWolf except for witcher and fallout 4 there havent been a lot of gr8 single player games in 2016 (please point out any i may have forgotten abt) and tbh the market is suffering in general (not just single player but also multiplayer) from rlly trashy, poorly released (i mean like bugs and shit at launch) and it honestly has lowered consumer faith a lot. I dunno this sorta nervousness and clear abuse of preorders imo just downplays even the good games, watch dogs 2 being the perfect example, cuz tbh from almost everyone i heard its not a bad game. But combined with the first watch dogs reputation, oversaturation of the open world idea, and crappy experiences from buying other games which have been massive failures, watch dogs 2 has barely sold.
Witcher was amazing, Im looking forward for new Resident Evil.
@Hammer
U didint read, did u? Problem is, amount of players is not growing anyway. Besides, dota veterans usually almost 30 years old, have more money to spend than kids.
Maybe the trend of releasing smaller/moderate patches in like every 2 months would keep the interest up more than releasing a gigantic patch like this after more than half a year of waiting.
@Hammer I played dota for 14 years, not some shrine/talent-tree/constant lp bullshit. Map and skills always changed, roshan armor mov speed everything actually, flying units courier and shit. But when you change the game... fuck volvo and their 7.0 shit, as if it wasn't enough with the comeback mechanic bullshit preventing you to take down structures cause you could always attempt and pray you woudn't feed all your advantage (and more) back
ahahahahahahaha @ how much ppl respond to a rtar writing on this forums thats hes quitting for good. Attention whre detected.
If you quit you quit AND SO DO IT. Fkin kiddo without honor.
Just putting it out there that there are people who like the new patch and changes.
I for one rather enjoy this patch and the upgraded graphics and talent tree. I've been playing Dota since it's inception in WC3 so 14 years too?
This is as per a blog that I read: it's still Dota at the end of the day.
It's a player v player game and no one has an advantage over another. The satisfaction I derive from this game is the ability to win vs another player and this game offer a fantastic and vibrant conduit to achieve this.
It's not perfect but issues highlighted can be resolved and I look forward to better games and I feel the future for Dota 2 and beyond is burning bright with this patch.
Regards
Gecko
I still only play because I feel obligated after how much money I have put in
player base is dying from cancer.
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/best-videogames-of-2016
Scoring over 85% for 2016- witcher 3 expansion, uncharted 4, dishonored, xcom 2, rise of the tombraider, titanfall 2, dark souls 3, dishonored 2, doom, owlboy, stardew valley, battlefield 1, civ6, ori and the blind forest, total war warhammer.
Those are the critic scores so obviously some of those games actually suck or will have wildly varied user reviews like civ6, but most are close like dark souls is same user score, uncharted a bit lower only. And this doesn't list any of the indie games on steam that are awesome.
Single player is not dead at all. If anything there are too many games so it gets too hard to sort through them all and find what you like.
Got Xcom 2 during the steam sales in December. Money well spent. There are a lot of good Single player games, the problem for most people is that it costs money to buy them and you'll get more playtime out of a good multiplayer game than most single player games. Also people are more likely to get introduced to multiplayer games by friends than single player. Also to play the latest games often requires good specs on your computer, which not everyone can afford to keep up with.
"the problem for most people is that it costs money to buy them"
"Also to play the latest games often requires good specs on your computer, which not everyone can afford to keep up with."
I forget half the dota players are poor and from 3rd world countries basically. That does kind of put a damper on things. But instead of saying there are no good games it should be there are no good free games my shitty pc can run besides dota2.
"Also to play the latest games often requires good specs on your computer, which not everyone can afford to keep up with."
Well I'm super broke but ive managed to put together a $129 desktop that can run all those games maxed out 1080p. Also nearly all single player games are torrent-able.
I don't think money is the issue, its just that people like playing with other people, it offers infinite replayability.
Single player isnt dead, but way more people play multiplayer.
You mean way more people play the same multiplayer games cus there's only a few, while single player there are tons so we all play different ones. Like I play FTL a lot, someone else might play GTA5 a lot, but with both play dota.
I stopped playing dota shortly after 7.0 patch with well over 4000 hrs in the game. I agree with lex's beliefs. And the numbers dont lie. I also belive the truth is in my frinds list nearly all of them i met playing dota and hardly any of them still play.
I think the biggest impact is literally lp. 23% of playerbase at any point is constantly in lp. This just can't be right.
Thats actually disgusting. 23%? Can u cite that? And of course if ur friends list are full of ur dota 1 old buddies then a lot of the changes wont suit them and theyll quit.
last 30 days mostly contains january but still january stats by itself proves that valve fucked up with both new lp system and 7.00 update
when there is a new hero or a huge update, usually amount of active players increases alot. Yet, it didnt happen this time.
Huge amount of bugs in new patch. Talents r kinda weird but still ok. Shrines, runes and backpack though.. probably changed the way dota is played a lot more than some ppl like. Ppl are fine w hero changes and new items. But this is so different.
Doesnt matter rlly a game cant keep growing forever. Soon the ti prize pools will start leveling off too. Its just the natural life cycle of a game imo.
@Daddy it was still growing well until 7.00 released. So this is Valve/Icefrog's mistake
There was a time I thought TF2 would never die. Though, I'm not sure if it ever was as big around the world as I thought it was.
Never mind that, why the necro-posting?
If you have 0-2 reports you get that you're being in 77%. As far as we know it 3 reports is enough to get into lp.