Neither lion or veno are really game winners, you can do a lot but I never see that hero win much. Honestly Rhasta at least has a fall back push skill you can use.
lion is bad because hes greedy and most of the time ur solo supporting
ur team wants u to babysit them in lane and put wards every 5 mins, but these are things that lion shouldnt rly be doing since u need to get gold from early ganks so u can buy an early blink because ur skills are mid ranged and ur 2squishy to do a walking impale/hex initiate
and since people have no concept of ganking (or u could be the one who doesnt have the concept of it) most of the time lion players fail so hard that they become useless because they end up getting killed before they can even pull off their skills
PS dont get mad lion players who ks with their first finger. it has a long cd and if it means getting their blink with it it would be way more game winning than u having a +1 kill on the scoreboard
and before a guy who says "rofl normal skill" comes here YES this is indeed for normal skill
most players play at normal skill anyway so most of your very high skill experience means nothing
the only tips you give that give importance are hero tips and general gametips
but if u tell me this shit doesnt happen go play a smurf and play lion at normal skill ffs
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pick a ranged support that requires less than half your brain to be functional to be executed correctly
Ex Bane Dazzle Shaman
Ex Not Lion Rubick Veno