General DiscussionWhat happened to Timbersaw?

@Triple

Zeus meta and Bloodstone nerf^^

yeah i havent been doing well in my games recently with him, look at my profile

he needs farm to do well, and he also needs exp. so basically he need + 1 at offlane in the early laning phase after that the support left him.

or, secret strat Put misery timber on safelane while ee on offlane. I believe they lost 3 times tho with this strat. Only ppd and sumail can make it work till now.

Triple was too imba so they nerfed the bloodstone

Nothings changed... its still The Great Deforestation.... if anything the increase of arc warden and pudge pickers just makes me more happy.

he's still quite good, though I think meta has just changed away from solo offlaners to 212 setups and a lot more pressure on safe laners. Timber is only real threatening vs like double melee safe lanes or if you are stupid and hang out by trees. Meanwhile you have some dumb shit jungler doing nothing for 30 mins. I just don't like most solo offlaners right now, clock, tide, timber, they all seem to be lacking an early role.

^ every experience I have found over the past few months is that the game is decided on much the safelane is fucked up by the enemy offlaners compared to how well your offlaners fuck up the enemy safelane. If one team runs a toxic obnoxious offlane, something like Windrunner/Pudge and you run a weak safelane, like say antimage/shadow shaman while the enemy are also running a relatively weak safelane like ogre/naga but instead of running a dual offlane you run a single offlane timber and have a jungling sand king, then your safelane will get fucked and the enemy offlane get freefarm to expected results - http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2037632147

Or if the enemy run a safelane which can become dangerous if you are solo, like say a solo offlane timbersaw with a mirana who is roaming instead of laning - plus you get a fucking moron gyrocopter who gets 25 cs in 10 minutes and an even more fucking retarded invoker who gets half the CS of the opposing Lina and not a single deny (and 14 minute midas), while you somehow manage to get the same CS at 10 minutes as your fucking carry and mid when you are solo against a fucking combo which can kill you easily as soon as you get close to the creep line...and then end the game with more farm as the solo offlaner than either your carry or mid, holy fuck what did I do to deserve teammates like that - http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2037555266

Then you get the games where you can't even go up the fucking creep wave or you will eat a bajillion fucking stuns/nukes/slows to the face and your useless fucking support does nothing, while your own pathetic offlaner/s do fuck all to the enemy safelane and they get freefarm - eg http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2018634898 and http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2018734288

Then when you get those games yourself where the enemy fucks up by not running some dual offlane from the depths of hell everything is perfect and you get an easy win - http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2032261856. Eg that game I'm in the same position playing AM against windrunner, except this time instead of there being a pudge who will fucking rot and hook me if I get close to the creep line there is only a solo windrunner so I can just blink on her and attack her and drain her mana, get a 16 minute treads/battlefury and easy gg from there.

Or the enemy send a poor sap of a silencer to solo the offlane - and run a jungle lc - http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2037870304 (this one was really sweet because he was a zeus who won in the game where my last pick shadow shaman "support" fed 16 times to the fucking windrunner/pudge/ - they really need to let you see who you have muted again before the match so you can still dodge, worst part of reborn.

Point being - to win you can't pick solo offlaners, you need to pick whatever dual offlane fucks up the enemy safelane the most, whoever's safelane is fucked the most loses.