General DiscussionIs it viable to make a MOM on Medusa ?

It's a very common item on her, but more for flash-farming than ganking.

So what is your build on her exactly. Because I always make an early Skadi. Should I make a MOM before that or after Skadi?

MoM before Skadi because it will help you farm it up quicker.

thanks

What is MoM?

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MoM = Mask of Madness. MoM can be useful on every lategame Carry, even on Spectre for some nice Pick-ups.

Edit: But you should sell it after a while, its just for the Midgame...

It's great on medusa for farming. It works with her split shot very well because all that attack speed is basically multiplied by 80% x 3 or 4 or whatever level of split shot you're at. Medusa needs to go some kind of farming item before skadi to really take off and it's usually yasha, maelstrom or mask of madness. Mom is cheap and I find it makes clearing jungles far easier, just sit and tank instead of kiting creeps, especially at night. The move speed was nerfed a lot so it's not that great for that anymore, but good sustain and farming. You can keep it into late game as well, most games are decided before you'd run out of slots, I mean medusa goes big ticket items usually after boots, mom, aquila. Skadi, daedulus/mkb, sell aquila, linken's/scythe/bloodstone/butterfly/daedulus/mkb and game's over.

yasha is better for farming (even though both sy and manta are pretty crapy on her)

At some point of the game, mom is also purely for the leech, and not for the as, since what you win from the active, is so little compare to the draw back that you should no longer use it.

If she was mele, then mom could make sens to tank neutral, here she doesn't need it, as it's a inferior version of yasha on her.

You still take a lot of dmg from neutral creeps if you don't kite them early, and kiting slows down your farm a lot, especially at night with poor vision. I think mom ups that jungle a bit compared to yasha.

Mom isn't a bad item but plz don't make it before your skadi or linkens

the entire point is to speed up farming of skadi and linkens. Would you rather have a 20 minute skadi or linkens or a 22 minute mom/yasha + skadi/linkens? Skadi and linkens have terrible buildups from a farming perspective, 2100g for 10 agi is awful dps return. Perseverance helps your sustain but medusa doesn't really need the regen yet.

Yeah totally, my friend is AN AMAZING farmer, he's 4K, but he definitely shits on some 5Ker in terms of farming, i know this for a fact, and he uses that item with Medusa. No idea how he does it, no matter what hero he's using, but if were losing early game, and we have the enemies swarming the map with no vision and nowhere safe to farm, he somehow comes out with a Skadi and a basher at least, or Ags with something else anyways.

MOM for teamfight: I think medusa need raw damage rather than pure attack speed. Split shot is really weak without damage items. A Crimson guard will negate a lot of split shot damage and totally screw her damage output. In terms of execution, I will presume you go tank a bit, activate gaze, then activate mom to whack away + lifeleech back to full hp.

MOM for farming: MOM is always a good jungling item. But yasha seems better as mentioned earlier as she has split shot to clear creeps at a fast rate --> take minimal damage from creeps. She also has mana shield --> take minimal damage from creeps. Mana shield can be sustained with ROA for jungling purposes. Either way, I prefer drums to both MOM and yasha. It may be slightly inferior for jungling, but it is so much more valuable in everything else on Medusa.

Perhaps someone who has tried MOM for few games can give better opinions.

I dont get how you need a mom to farm with one of the best farmers in the game. the mom would be for a cheap dps increase when you use ult..... if it takes you 20 min to farm a linken your a bad farmer or you had a terrible lane... but ya pretty much between snake and split shot you should be able to farm..... when I play medusa the first major item I go for is an ulti orb it helps you survive early game mask of madness does not and its honestly greedy to rush it

Thank you all for your valuable suggestions. I see some of you misinterpreted it a bit so let me clarify my question in detail. See, I am not considering a MOM for farming purposes. I will anyway make my skadi as my first item after a magic wand-acquilla-Phase Boots.......After Skadi I generally go for a malestrom and then I directly jump to either a linkens or a Yasha ......I never have issues with farming but the problem here, as many of you medusa players would have encountered in pubs, is that you stone gaze, you pull off a perfect gaze and the entire enemy team is petrified - you couldnt have pulled off a better gaze and then when u begin with your split shots, the enemies sure drop down to half or less than half hp but they tend to escape just because you dont have a good AS to deal tons of dmg in those 5 seconds and some useless hero steals your kills (who has no idea how to help a hard carry snowball) and you end up getting assists and no kills hence less gold ...........From this perspective - Is it viable of make an MOM on her? because during a gank, I will definitely be focussed and if my MOM is on then I will take additional dmg and it will defeat the whole purpose of my being a tank

Ignore people who don't know the mechanics of mana shield and/or don't bother to do any math.

The only drawback of the item is increased damage taken. However, it doesn't increase the amount of mana drained. Since unless you have a hardcore mana/mana regen item (like sheep or bloodstone), you'll run out of mana before you run out of HP. So at the end of the day, Medusa only loses about 10-15% of her EHP whereas any other hero would lose 23% of their EHP.

Meanwhile the temporary DPS from MoM works much better for fighting than the sustained DPS from Yasha, especially considering that if someone actually gets stoned by your ult you generally want to deal with them as quickly as possible (remember, they take no magic damage so your team may or may not actually be able to help kill stoned targets). It's the same reason why MoM is so good on void: you need to put out as much damage as possible during your ult, because your ability to kill people outside of your ult isn't that great unless you have a huge lead on them already.

Usually I'd only go Yasha over MoM if we're extremely far behind, or on the one in a million games where a Manta is justified.

honestly when I play medusa I try to make a butterfly asap but a mask of madness + a damage item with a skadi is very strong

I think MoM is good but you should sell it later. It helps you make your skadi / linkens faster.

@ 6.85 When:

What is your opinion on enemy team having a crimson? I would think that For Medusa: MOM + dmg item + split shot is strong. MOM + skadi + split shot is not. Maybe its just me but its common to see a crimson in the majority of games and that really negate a lot of split shot damage if you do not build raw damage on her. And going for bulk after MOM tend to delay your damage item.

I know that petrified units take extra physical damage, but crimson active last longer than Medusa ult and enemies tend to turn away from her, so netting all 5 enemies hero is usually quite rare. Netting 3 with gaze is definitely common though.

Also MOM vs drum? I do see the benefit of MOM, but I think drum is not that bad of an item on Medusa since you benefit from every aspect of it. And pure bulk give you more room for error.

okay so If I go for a MOM+MKB+Linken+Butterfly ..........would it be better than Skadi+MOM+MKB+Linken ?

Skadi anyday better than butterfly purely for the stats it gives and the slow. No doubt about that.

Thanks :)

Aegis of the Immortal is a great item on medusa. You should consider getting it in all your games

I think you need skadi or everyone will just kite you. Skadi is probably the only true core on her, everything else can be substituted with other stuff.

Thank you all for your suggestions :)