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General DiscussionESL Finals!!!! Secret vs EG!!

ESL Finals!!!! Secret vs EG!! in General Discussion
BlackXargon

    WHAT A GAME 1 OPENER!! DAMN!

    Only caught the last 20 minutes when EG was turning it around
    - Force Staff Blink Out by AUI Wynter
    - That find behind the trees by Tuskar Zai
    - That countless saves by AUI's Wynter etc

    King of Low Prio

      winter counters wisp that was all there was to the game

      King of Low Prio

        I want EG to win just to shut these eu fgts up

        Low Expectations

          Sampson with his small penis insecurities again

          BenaoLifedancer

            both teams play so well
            but you guys should notice sumail underperforms every time, i don't know why they praise him so much, too overrated.

            and kuroky omg such a good playaaaa!!!!!

            Welt aus Eis

              eg vs secret is always amazing, it's the new western clasico for sure

              Low Expectations

                ^^ Such accuracy, much sample size, famous journal, confirmed data even from North Korea
                ^I agree but I am quite dissapointed at VPs preformance vs EG

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                Livin' Real Good

                  I like when EG does well (which would be amazing) they restore respect to American Dota, i agree with Sampson.

                  Secret doesn't have as good as connection with each other as other teams do, they get by on talent, they have a very stacked roster when you think about it.

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                  TripleSteal-

                    i was looking forwards to see VP winn ing ESL, so disappointed...

                    Livin' Real Good

                      Let's say EG did win TI, i doubt Americans would be like " OMG America > Europe" and rubbing it in their faces, but if Europe were to win, i don't think i could say the same.

                      The Wok

                        glimmer cape gud item

                        B56

                          ^^ im not from eu neither from na , but the only time i see this kind of conversations , its always Americans trying to shittalk eu players

                          strategiccheese

                            Honestly I don't really care where the players are from I just want to watch some top tier Dota

                            That said all I've ever seen is people saying eu servers are better then NA servers

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                            Low Expectations

                              Sano what do you think of Sumails itembuild on tinker this game? I mean skipping bloodstone

                              c4L-

                                I LOVE YOU ARTEEZY!!!

                                King of Low Prio

                                  I am not american I just laugh at these third world EU ppl so desperate to have something they are good at.......sorry NaVi days are over and EU still trash

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                                    Reese

                                      fear sven 5cs/min no cleave wtf?
                                      s4 shadow fiend was bad too

                                      c4L-

                                        I'm all for NA because of Old Man Fear, Jimmy, Artour, and PPD but the original team of Secret + my favorite player Puppey got more love for me lol =D (w/ Artour on Secret now makes me gotta support the boys)

                                        Kitrak
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                                          Welt aus Eis

                                            yeah what kitrak said, hex is essential vs AM, anyways it's a hard matchup
                                            I think if he had rushed hex instead of going dagon first things could have been better, dagon didnt do much and by the time he finished hex rtz was already tanky enough to survive

                                            Low Expectations

                                              But why build a dagon, seems pointless bloodstone-> hex better? or even linkens would be nice

                                              c4L-

                                                I guess Reese never got ganked in mid or something as SF before ROFL

                                                Kitrak
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                                                  Welt aus Eis

                                                    like I said I didnt really agree with the dagon but sumail is a pretty good tinker player so I prefer not to question a lot, it's good vs those squishy supports like kotl/rubick and also SF early on, I think maybe he overestimated their lead

                                                    King of Low Prio

                                                      EU trash getting carried by Canada

                                                      Kitrak
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                                                        Twinkle

                                                          Fear megathrows

                                                          c4L-

                                                            what a game!!! I thought EG had that game

                                                            Kitrak
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                                                              Livin' Real Good

                                                                I'm depressed now. Q.Q

                                                                Welt aus Eis

                                                                  EU > NA confirmed Keepo

                                                                  BenaoLifedancer

                                                                    What a surprise!

                                                                    But in all honesty, stop considering sumail good, he's only good in 1v1 situations with a better lane setup. If you guys can't see that I'm really sry! Same for those guys rooting for VP when its almost 100% certain they are gonna be bottom5 TI 5

                                                                    Hassan

                                                                      vp is actually good though

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                                                                        Welt aus Eis

                                                                          sumail also solo killed s4's sf as tinker with no help

                                                                          Low Expectations

                                                                            ^Lol wat, that was because of the bounty rotations both times

                                                                            Pom Pom 🍕

                                                                              I'm still amazed how they managed to lose the sven wisp game when Sven had treads, mom, blink, bkb, ac, daedalus at 30-35min. But they kept taking bad fights and stuttered a lot with engaging (activating bkb, but just standing around instead of going in. Then simply backing off with bkb on cd so EG can push). Aui did some good plays with wyvern too though.

                                                                              Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                                                Lel 2 times 3-1 in the finals now.

                                                                                Low Expectations

                                                                                  ^^Svens farm didnt matter because whoever he went on was cold embraced(mostly fear, and he got instantly static linked) and gg
                                                                                  That was prolly biggest outdraft and the main reason why EG won

                                                                                  Hassan

                                                                                    They made some crucial errors like Sven bkbing before tether so they couldnt relocate and they also took some really stupid fights. I think they should have won that game.

                                                                                    BlackXargon

                                                                                      That Game 4 should have been EG's if Fear wasn't careless about his positioning.

                                                                                      When he got his items and kinda went on blink farming throughout the map, he became confident that he can survive any gank. Simple Lina Euls + LSA cost his team playing w/o him for almost 3 mins in the late game and that is not acceptable.

                                                                                      I was really rooting for EG but maybe they'll win TI5 instead.

                                                                                      Also, playing hard carry Sven is really a stretch for me in this meta.