General DiscussionWhat item will more increase damage from Sleight of Fist?

Divine

Multiple battlefuries is certainly legit, but stacking bashers sounds like the best

^ don't they not stack and only stun once every 1.4(or 1.6 or something) seconds anyway.

@Number 12
2 Sec cd

@OP
It depends on your other items however battlefury scale better with other items which is why you favor it.

However I am a big fan on playign ember with Bloodstone/Crimson/Mjollnir/Shiva/Skadi and basically play him as a frontline hero

basher stuns for 1.4s but has a cooldown of 2s once you have bashed someone, so you're only going to be able stun one person per every 10 units in sleight of fist, since the time interval between attacks is 0.2s

maelstrom is a cheaper alternative to battle fury for early-mid game if you need to fight sooner, offering similar aoe damage, but later on you still want to transition into battle fury(s) for late game aoe since chain lightning obviously does not scale, whereas battle fury is dependent on your attack damage.

I heard that maelstrom and mjollnir is bugged, because it won't proc another lightning when there's one already jumping (which sucks on ember when he jumps 5 times per second)

that one got fixed long ago

That's great, I wasn't buying these items on ember at all just because of this
thanks

bf definitly.
cost less, deal more, u dont need hyperstone, reg is cool.

its purely mathematical

don't go maelstrom, pls.

But

1 daedalus=25% (~)
2 25%*(0.75*25)=44 (~)%

Significantly more damage expectation

How does the math work if you introduce Magnus to the mix?

Probably the same as one more bf

And btw: arcana boots or phaze?

I tend to regret each time getting phaze, because that additional damage is not that crucial, same as ms boost, but I really suffer mana problems, sometimes not enough to escape or kill somebody

lol phase b. is still recommended item for him ?

yep, and i was several times flamed by teammates for bying arcana boots on him

why would u get arcanes on xin LOL

so you can actually cast spells mby ? :D

Or you can, you know, learn to manage your mana. Bottle + Perseverance/Battlefury + remnant-tp abuse is enough to keep your mana going in the early game.

thats why u have bottle and 2 runes, and spirit - tp base - come back. mana boots is like the worst item on that hero ive never even thought of using that

zenoth, where did you get that pic from?

was on reddit long time ago

?? I thought you meant the ember pic, if its my dp you're asking thats my photo

did you choose your name because of it or it was made for you?

@Shitztick
did you choose your name or was it made for you?

- I dont get the diaagram. please could someone explain to me how if a bf cleaves 250 units away, you still need to be 442 range away from all other units to have a 0% chance of being cleaved (*cloven)? Surely if the cleave is originating in a 250 radius semicircle from the centre of the cleaved unit, you cant be hit by the cleave unless you are within 250 units. o.0

- Regarding sleight of fists I was wondering whether it is possible to prioritise the order targets are hit by it. For example, are targets nearest the centre, or nearest embers original point, targeted first, or is it random?

- Does maelstrom proc off magic immune units? e.g if there is an undying tombstone should i prioritise a maelstrom before bf?
Sorry for scrubby questions, reading OP made me remember some of the things i didn't know when i was playing ember myself.

Cleave has 250 radius, which is 500 diameter.

Yes, mael procs, hit the ancients dragon camp and watch small ones die from lightning.