Looks like someone just lost to a fed Pudge.
Pudge (as stated many times prior to this thread) relies on killing people who lack map awareness. The others can be easily countered by detection and gap closers.
Let's remove Pudge from game because he pubstomped me and has been played many times.
*Pudge is removed from game*
Let's remove X from game because he's the new pudge and is pubstomping me
*X is removed from game*
Let's remove Y from game because he's the new X and is pubstomping me
Something like that would happen
OP: "Like it or not, the pubstomper heroes, just by existing, hinder Dota from being taken seriously as a competitive game. Our whole community would do much better with the removal of trash heroes."
HAHAHAHAAHHA U EVEN SERIOUS? AHAAHA
At least remove ability to suicide with rot. Also, pubstomping should be phased out of the game entriely, as it is not fun.
Wtf you on about .. Say that to dendi - http://dotabanters.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/navi-dendi-meme-pudge-banned.jpg Pudge so ez to kill and he's a shit hero so ye let him be
I do actually think put rot suicide should be nerfed.
If he takes enemy damage within X seconds (1-3 or something) then rot is not deny, but instead death counted to last damage.
@Marlan
Remove the feature entirely. If something is not good, rip it out. Burn the whole system.
Pudge isn't THAT bad anymore, he has got a ton of direct and indirect buffs which make him quite useful. He isn't strong in the lane at all, but he is quite useful mid game as long as he manages to get his basic items up. Double runes means he should always be getting one, the addition of smoke makes him x10 scarier during mid game, and an even bigger threat to the opposing mid. Tranqs keep him in a good place as he moves around the map, and dagger is pretty crazy.
I wouldn't call him strong, and I still wouldn't want one on my team, but a pudge played by a half decent player is no longer a completely lost lane that does nothing the whole game. Pudge a while back used to get ripped in his lane, miss his two hooks so he has no mana, get behind and unable to gank or w/e and just be useless, times have changed since then.
I'd rather they remove POTM. Crap in every position #1-5, crap in the lane as both the carry and support, an awful ganker that relies on set up from another player and even then, another hero in the same position would do an equally good if not better job, as well as trumping her in every other aspect. As a carry, she requires a ludicrous gold advantage to become a threat at all, as a support, she basically becomes a walking ultimate, she is too squishy to get near fights and wouldn't do anything even if she got in. Sick of seeing retards pick her, if she goes mid the other mid gets free farm, if she goes offlane then you've just given their carry free farm and aren't getting anything back. If she is a support in the lane/roaming, she still relies on someone setting her up and doesn't offer anything else, has 0 lane presence as well. Bad in ganks, pushing, defending and awful in team fights, seriously why she is the 6th most popular hero, I will never know.
I agree with op this game kind of unbalanced, heroes like pudge are clearly op, when you look others heroes like necro (press the ultimate skill), slark and pl who are very hard to play and are bad :( .
If you have played pudge enough, you would know that a). Pudges detest wards, but smart pudges buy smoke and their own wards and b). Pudge dislikes map aware weaklings that can die to a simple hook and 2 seconds of rot + auto attack.
Pudge can be countered by being unpredictable, constantly moving, and harassing with physical damage out of lane. Magic damage early on is especially effective since he will lack flesh heap, and -armor will be even more effective since he has terrible base armor. The only reason people seem to think he is OP is because, well, they don't change their playstyle to match the game. Just like any other hero, you must change skills, habits, items, awareness, w/e in order to counter the hero.
In the other respect, he is one of the only heroes that can scale as the game goes on, in terms of tankyness (silencer can scale in damage), which makes him very annoying if he actively participates in fights.
Another reason why I question myself in the normal potato shit tier. Valve why you put me with noobs with 150 abandons.
Boohoo
OP, I think Icefrog should remove people who abandon games from dota (if you know what I mean)
I do think rot should not be able to kill him/suicide, but that's the only change I'd support. I don't think any other hero that has hp costing abilities can deny themselves with them. Look at huskar arrows, centaur double edge.
^^^Abaddon and Alchemist can deny themselves too with Mist Coil/Unstable Concoction. Centaur is also denied if he's under the Penitence debuff.
edit: Bane can also deny himself or allies with Nightmare.
I see. Those at least take some timing and a little skill to pull off though. The pudge one is no skill, just turn it on and hope it ticks right before you die.
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The ability to suicide is fine...it gets more difficult to die by it as the games goes on and he levels up his poop skin and maybe buys a hood/pipe anyway. If he's in your team, good, he won't be feeding gold every time he dies. If he's on the other team, good, the bounty will be bigger when we kill him later.
Pudge is finally not useless, leave him be.
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Pudge has been played too many times, and thus should be gotten rid of to make space in Dota for better heroes. It's sound logic really, Dota is a competitive game, and has no place for shit like Riki, Sniper, Drow, or Pudge.
Like it or not, the pubstomper heroes, just by existing, hinder Dota from being taken seriously as a competitive game. Our whole community would do much better with the removal of trash heroes.