Lich too strong but really, anyone spend all of the 10 bounce even before aghanim?
i feel like it's redundancy in most cases except split pushing
last game as lich i tried to defend solo against lycan
Still can't defend it solo just by frost armor -.- although it slow him a bit
What? Sorry I can't hear you over the 12 chain frosts bouncing between the ancients waiting for someone to chase me into them.
he is strong, and like i said, aghs is still viable - especially against gyro/luna/etc
you either suck up bkb charges to clear your ancients or... you just can't go near that area at all.
AT ALL. and it sucks wasting charges to clear the stacks .__.
Don't forget, you can put it on mud golems to make the regular jungle dangerous as all gtfo too! :D
Also makes for a great ward too as they apply flying vision around targets they hit :D
Damn, i was abusing Lich to gain solo mmr but now everyone will go for it :S
Pick that hero to offlane either alone, either dual with a semi-carry; and its just so annoying to play against...
As a Bristleback, he stays a bit passive on the first levels, but as soon as he's level 3, have fun with trying to kill him. Once he has lvl2 Sacrafice, he wont really have to leave the tower range, making the enemy supports kinda useless on the lane as they are just babysitting the carry's farm but cant kill you. And the fun part is, they cant even leave their carry alone anymore as you outleveled him and your nuke hurts a lot.
So easy, so effective, so dumb.
yes
thats the other annoyin shit, the flying vision .__.
this makes lich even more capable of just soloing offlane in comparison to before, as he can easily spam multiple ultimates on golems like u said, or ancients
btw the bat nerf really isnt that big of a deal, i find minimal difference :/
Lich players will wish some golems spawns, lol. Ulti on golems, stack the camp, kill whatever spawns. Free gold! :D
Surely if ancients/jungle are lich trapped all you have to do is go near get the frost onto you and then use smoke of deceit to dodge it?
I don't think it's a big buff on his ultimate. I can't remember the last time my opponent let themselves get hit more than 5-6 times.
@ice truck
no, the rate at which the ultis bounce is more than sure enough to kill you before you even have a chance to smoke away i believe...
anyhow, the also depletes your smokes which are hard to come by
well you can always pick a dazzle vs a lich.. get dazzle to grave you as you dodge it. It's not really a wasted smoke, you can smoke from dire ancients to gank radiant jungle or radiant ancients to gank dire jungle.
edit: or if you're particularly jammy, 5 man into that trap with blademail
the problem is it provides quite a bit of vision... so they'll see u smoke, but yeah
abaddon or any other hero that builds blademail should be able to tank it and kill lich i guess...
How to counter the "unbreakable Lich ancients trap":
This requires one of the following:
A hero who can summon or control an expendable unit (e.g. Enigma's Eidolons, Terrorblade's illusions, Chen's jungle creeps)
An item that can create an expendable unit (e.g. Manta Style, Helm of the Dominator)
An illusion rune
Create your illusions, call your minions, or take control of your jungle creeps. Walk this up to roughly 575 units from the edge of the ancient camp. (Make sure to get it within range; 550 is infinitely better than 600). Wait for the Chain Frost to bounce to it; walk it out of range. Congratulations, you just spent a MAXIMUM of 5,000 gold (and that would only be if you use Manta, which is likely on someone who wanted it anyway) to counter the only real effect gained from spending 4,200 gold on an underfarmed support.
i think ppl need to break out of this "supports" stay supports and don't have any other roles other than "supporting"
they can branch out to plenty of other roles, and you can even prioritize their farm instead
lion, disruptor, AA, SK, VS, i think all these heroes have either A. good lane control, B. good abilities/skills for cs C. make amazing use out of level advantage D. make amazing use out of the farm received
lion can easily zone and spam skills til wits end, mana drain threshold op
disruptor has decent enough dmg/atk animation and can max Q W, bottle, zone, etc
AA has better than average dmg/atk animation (imo), chilling touch makes that even easier, aghs + a fast lvl 11 is no joke ?
VS... last hitting w/ her is one of the easiest as range heroes, i find... maybe im just too hopeful or biased in seeing her viable as a carry/ganker
If I'd see some ancients trap for sure I'd buy blademail. With 2 blademails and a smoke you can kill lich whenever you want, wherever he is.
I feel like the aghs i kind of noob bait though. In most cases scythe, shivas, drums + mek, even veil are all more useful for your team.
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so much buff on these supports-_- vengeful cant be a main target in team fights, KOTL's daylight vision and heal with aghs, lich frost armor on towers is really big against pushing lineups ... -_-