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General DiscussionIs invoker good against medusa

Is invoker good against medusa in General Discussion
Henry Land

    just wondering
    does invoker emp works wonder on medusa third skill?

    Vandal

      probably, especially in the earlier game when medusa has no items, 500 hp, and almost no mana as well as low points in shield. Given free farm, I'd wager it really doesn't matter in the late game. If she really has trouble with you, she can throw up a BKB even.

      But I think a ganky invoker or a pushing invoker works well against her in the earlyish to mid game.

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      Sir

        Invoker is bascially the best hero in the game and medusa the worst.

        Zahard

          yes. invoker is love invoker si life

          epsik-kun

            Everybody is good against Medusa early. Lately - nobody is.

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            Guts

              Emp is good on medusa just as it is good vs any other hero. So no invoker isn't really specially good vs medusa.

              mwsqz

                but since dusa rely on her mana to tank dmg, invoker is good against medusa.

                artemis

                  Mana Shield
                  Creates a shield that absorbs 50% of the incoming damage by using Medusa's mana.
                  DAMAGE PER MANA: 1.0 / 1.5 / 2.0 / 2.5
                  CAST POINT 0.4s

                  EMP
                  CHARGE TIME: 2.6
                  RADIUS: 675
                  MAX MANA BURNED: 100 / 175 / 250 / 325 / 400 / 475 / 550
                  BURN DAMAGE: 50%
                  CAST POINT 0s

                  So yes. If you burn 550 mana, that's like burning 550*2.5=1375 health. Add in the 50% burn damage after the mana loss and you have another 225 damage being dealt to her mana shield, half of which is blocked by shield so 225/2/2.5=45mana

                  So you can destroy 595 mana with max emp. 595mana on max mana shield dusa is same as 1487.5 health.

                  Factor in resistances if you like and all that, I just wanted to illustrate that ANYthing that burns dusa's mana is extra hurtful to her.

                  edited to fix some math. Still might be off but it's close enough to make the point

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                  matrice

                    not it's not same as 1487 hp for medusa, cause in late game, you will ALWAYS have much more mana than what you need, so even if you lost 1k mana before the fight, you'll still have enough mana to tank for you till you die

                    if you have 2k hp, you only need 800 mana.

                    but mid game, when you might lack of mana, yeah it's horrible for medusa, but anyway, at that stage, this hero is garbage, mana shield or not.

                    Dire Wolf

                      Idk why everyone thinks medusa is so garbage early, she has no real escape but neither does drow or sniper. Her nuke does a ton of dmg early if you get it to bounce right and her ult at 6 is game changing. Yes she is an end game hero more than early but she has utility early, more than say spectre imo.

                      epsik-kun

                        The thing is, if you start to use this utility side of Medusa too early, you're risking to fail as a carry due to being underfarmed at the crucial point.
                        But I do agree, that Medusa past level 6 can't be considered a bad hero. With right item build and good execution, she can come online at like 20 minutes mark.