Balanced towards exort Invo.
Sf can only kill him with an invi rune/SB and ulti at lvl 11, since he cannot raze while he's coldsnapped
in my opinion sf can lasthit/deny better after a couple of levels and out farm invo , specially that no one can kill the other without a support ganking mid.
invo cant kill a good sf player who manages his hp, if ur talking on low skill level players , sf can also kill invo with 2 level 7 raises and a couple of right clicks
Sf can't raze in qqq, Invoker just need to harass a few hits before killing SF, unless the fiend stays really back and loses farm
usually at least one support from either side should have come mid to attempt a gank by then. Now lets say they dont (they should have -_-) it comes down to if the invoker is QW or QE, if he is QE it comes down to whoever is better and if QW SF wins it easy
^I don't know if there's any invo who'd go QW against SF :D
And I find it pretty hard for SF to kill invoker without ultimate surprise buttsex(invi)
quas wex voker will totally crush sf, if the invoker knows of to play agressivly (most "pro" simply don't -dunno about pro invoker thought-)
exort voker will have trouble pretty fast if he tries to dominate the lane, if exort voker just want to last hit, then it's fine.
But, sf is much more vulnerable than invoker in each case.
(I write for a level of sf that know how to deal with people who cann't clean creep)
well yea in a 1v1 you would not go QW but in a real match you would go whatever your team requires.
Matrice is right if you get a high ground ward as QW you can easily bully an SF out of lane because of 1) Coldsnap and 2) Quas to exchange right clicks. If Invoker dominates the first two waves and gets quick phase boots SF gets raped with an easy Coldsnap EMP Tornado.
Alot of Exort Invoker players try to destroy SF with early aggression but they don't have the movespeed to keep up with him, nor the regen. You can just outlast hit him with your +18 damage. If you're good he won't even get souls until he's level 3 and he'll have to raze for those. Sure you can kill an SF if he's out of position but any competent SF player won't be in right click range 80% of the time.
SF can win the matchup if he gets the Radiant side and stacks the medium camp farming it with razes and plays pretty safely. Your still going to lose the early game to a competent Invoker player, but you'll be more on par in farm at the 10-11 minute mark.
If you go Quas-Wex, the SF will practically have free farm, get an early bkb, then invoker can't do shit
Sampson, there is a point in worrying about it. It is basically a statement of which team needs to help their mid or accept it as a loss.
^btw i was trying to ask about the radiant sf thing, i ddnt find it much useful to farm the medium camp , cuz stacking them is tricky and maximum of 3 stacks can be done and killing them required 3 razes (sometimes mud golems spawn which are pain in the a**), i tried it a couple of times but then concluded using ur mana for razing on the lane for harassing and cs secure is better. share ur opinions plz
idk, depends on who gets the upperhand during the first few levels
once SF get's like 5 CS he's pretty good to go, LH-wise
but i'd still put my bets on a pro voker vs SF simply due to > regen > str > harass ability
SF just needs to bottle crow or contest runes, besides who the fuck tries to raze or exchange hits while cold snapped?
And even if invoker wins his lane sf can just flash farm in the jungle. All comes down to skill and execution really, both sides have advantages and disadvantages.
Sf has 0 chance if the invoker is good. it will be 40%60% in favor to invoker if exort and 90%10% if qw.
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still, exort only starts gettin effective around 3ish points added to it
then you're trading off hp, regen and easy harass with cold snap
idk tho
Yep, but on QW you'll get outfarmed way too much, and as I said earlier, an early BKB for SF is sure win
Like sampson said the game is not about a 1v1 and SF will be able to keep up sufficient farm as well as bottling runes and ganking lanes (something that invoker will not do till later). Invoker will go midas and boots by the time SF has bottle, boots and has rotated a couple times so its not about sitting in mid lane trying to win your lane.
There have been many times I have been against a trilane and not able to do much so I just leech a level or two then go do something else, there is no point sitting in a lane you are going to lose. Go make yourself useful elsewhere and maximize what little you have. Stack and farm camps, smoke gank lanes, ward deep jungle etc. 1v1 and sitting idly in a lane is stupid and you will always lose.
Who knows what OP is thinking about. I'm just answering at the question strictly about 1v1 match-up
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