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General DiscussionCrystalys as an early pickup

Crystalys as an early pickup in General Discussion
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    How good is it?

    Mohouzeg

      Crits become better the more damage you have, so the earlier you buy it, the more useless it becomes.

      Edit: Forgive me my grammar

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      Noé

        crits are based off a % of your damage, so early on it's bad.

        Trodlabundin

          Only heroes it could work on early (most efficient as possible) would be heroes with special abilities that boosts attack speed or something.

          AKA, Clinkz, Weaver or dd

          djgandy

            I like this sometimes. It's only 2k for +30dmg. You'll probably crit for 225 dmg which is huge early on and will scare the crap out of people.

            Fire_Sign

              good!!

              Jing

                only good on 1 hero, which is void, given midas + mom + treads , but still an easily doable 15-20min pickup

                Trodlabundin

                  ^I disagree, but I'll let it be.

                  djgandy

                    I like it on Viper sometimes. +30 dmg helps get Nethertoxin into play. A crit will definitely bring the bonus damage into play

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                      Sugar Show

                        My drow build with positive winrate is made from Boots,mask of mandes and "crystalys"

                        Dire Wolf

                          Only 2k for +30 dmg isn't great, it's a pretty average return. I wouldn't get it unless you're going to turn it into a daedulus later cus the crit is kinda low. For example, deso is 2k more, twice the dmg, armor decrease is a lot more dmg, yasha is almost same price and gives you move speed, armor and a lot of attack speed. For cheaper items a couple wraith bands gives you all around stat goodness. Or you can go 850g more for a shadow blade, slightly less dmg, lots of attack speed plus stealth!

                          So yeah, unless going for daed I wouldn't bother.

                          Soultrap

                            Kunkka approves.

                            Wink

                              ^even kunkka usually gets 1 or 2 damage items first

                              King of Low Prio

                                @Sugar

                                add midas to that build

                                mike374040

                                  I think crystalys CM is too stronk

                                  p2d

                                    Always purchase crystalis on PA, the crits stack kappa

                                    Noé

                                      The crits do stack, only not in the way you'd imagine. Or maybe i'm wrong and that only works for items. Anyway, if it works the way i think it does, it has a % to crit on the % you have to not crit from your ulti.

                                      Fay

                                        yes, crystalist before boots !

                                        Noé

                                          ofc boots are for losers

                                          Wink

                                            Standard Jakiro Build:

                                            Abilities:
                                            UUUUUUUUUUEEEERRRWWWWQQQQ

                                            Items:
                                            Starting Items: Blade of Attack
                                            Early Game: Daedalus
                                            Mid Game: Daedalus Daedalus
                                            Late game: Daedalus Daedalus Daedalus
                                            Situational: Boots of Speed (only against Pudge)

                                            Mortimer Smith

                                              TA: ok

                                              Wink

                                                ^ yeah cuz yasha, drums, deso, and/or blink are useless.

                                                djgandy

                                                  Mark: +30dmg with 20% crit chance for x1.75. This can work pretty well on Viper, he can crit for 250's quite easily which if you rush this you can have it by 7-8 minutes (Depending on other item choices). Yeah not a good strategy for all but once someone see's a viper doing a big red crit at the 8 minute mark they tend to GTFO. Deso is not a good first item rush, too much gold and its a UAM. Maelstrom is a better alternative. 25% chance to chain, +24 dmg and +25 IAS and it builds into something useful. Magic damage scales well into late game too if people start getting tanky.

                                                  harvard graduate

                                                    I feel it is like lifesteal. It is near to useless early game and incredibly strong lategame.

                                                    Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                      Yasha/Sange, Drums or even HotD is most of the time better. Can be useful on heroes like TA but still not worth it.