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General Discussionlv1 roshan and then 5 men mid tower pushing.

lv1 roshan and then 5 men mid tower pushing. in General Discussion
whoji

    I 'd like to share with you guys this fun strategy.
    lv1 smoke roshan and then 5 men mid tower pushing.
    mid t1->mid t2
    -> side lane t1 -> side lane t2
    - >side lane t1 -> side lane t2 ->side lane t3 -> rax
    ...- > gg

    all time 5 men must be TOGETHER. no solo farming allowed

    It happend in a recent pro match. 20 min win
    http://dotabuff.com/matches/575025506

    key factors:
    1) wd aoe healing at lv1
    2) aura stack, and lycan howl
    3) summons is not that important. the bm didn't lv up the summons at all.

    I convinced my stack buddies to copycat their strategy and we have
    http://dotabuff.com/matches/581105453 (16 min ez win)
    http://dotabuff.com/matches/581128559 (failed when they picked kotl, but still win with a fat luna)

    thoughts ?

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    eXcel

      Cancer has a new face. Seems legit good but its kinda anti dota.

      Kryptnyt

        I think that Valve should make a hero that can repair and upgrade towers. Human Peasant model in wc3 version of Dota. Ulti would be to get inside the tower and drive it around

        Dire Wolf

          It's fine, you have to get 5 people on the same page to do it. How many pubbers accomplish that?

          Wink

            wd heal is so trash at level 1...

            The real issue will be if the enemy team does ANYTHING to try to stop you, you will probably all have to go to base after 1 or 2 towers, and that costs a lot of time. I doubt you will have enough time to get more than 3 towers before aegis expires unless the enemy team literally gives them to you. Also, your team will be underleveled if you 5man for the entire early game, even with the Roshan experience.

            Neme

              There are 2 problems with this lineups.

              1 : if you have smart players against or stack, they can see roshan easy ( huh they pick wd + tank and armor reduction, i wonder what the are going to do )

              and

              2 : if yo don't end at minute 25-30, you will lose in 90 % of games, except if you have some sort of late carry that is able to push at early too ( lycan, krob )

              whoji

                @wink @I like to suport

                wd heal at lv 1 is amazing . whole team + summon aoe healing at a rate 2 x faster than tango

                not a big problem if the enemy team also team up, as long as the other team has no kotl or other hero with early spammable aoe.
                that lineup can ez win early team fights. with that 3 stack aura and lycan howl, whole team is like have 5 double damage.

                underlevel is actually a problem, but the gold diff can somehow compensate that.

                in that pro match they lv1 anyway, after the other team found out. they team fight and won and back to kill roshan.

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                sano

                  tier 2 korean match isn't pro dota sorry

                  Low Expectations

                    @*ESP* Wink
                    I have a lot of respect as a zaport player but are you kidding me? WD heal trash at level 1? During a 5 man push in 10 sek (using 80 mana) he heals them for total of 800hp. This ensures that they can just rambo under tier 2 (as they did) if they take dmg from tower switching aggro they wont even lose that much health.
                    WD heal is extremly underestimated especially when people clump up. Compare it to 1) Enchantress heal lvl1 (300 hp regenerated always) 2) dazzle heal at level 1 240 healed/dealt if the enemy is stupid enough to engage so closly
                    3) Juggernaut ward 50% heal if everyone gets full duration (ward can be destroyed)

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                    whoji

                      anyone play dota for a living is pro dota player sorry

                      XxX_WizardKushOfMountShas...

                        8 years late?

                        sano

                          do you really think tier 2 korean players play dota for a living? ROFL
                          only the top teams in the world do so

                          Yoichi Isagi | Blue Lock

                            fail strat is fail strat! Not all push strat works. If u gonna go push strat always ban out KOTL and undying and other pushers.

                            whoji

                              tried this so far 5 games . all win .

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                              Moffle Pendragon

                                if enemy had counter push or counter gank this strategy is crumble, kotl is good pick, lich and tide are counter gank other pick is ursa or skeleton king

                                Fakovnik

                                  umm 5 games vs team anonymous, at least go all ranked if you want to prove something

                                  whoji

                                    @WiT.HiN_T

                                    i am not trying to prove anything. like i said in op, i am just sharing a new rising strategy to my fellow dota2 players.
                                    simply ignore this if not interested

                                    whoji

                                      @rune of punishment.

                                      vs skeleton king: http://dotabuff.com/matches/582665740
                                      vs kotl : http://dotabuff.com/matches/581128559

                                      both ranked. the one vs kotl effectively failed. but win by late game carry luna and lycan split push. still got lv1 roshan and t2 mid tower in 5 min.