General DiscussionHow to unleashed the potential of trollwarlod?

rng hero like PA, except less damage and less reliable.

actually i consider using troll warlord as support, and using sniper as a carry/ mid and slark on offlane.

He can zone out enemies offlane so great, and with level 2 he have 2 nuke skill with 30% movement slow and 60% chance to miss.

what do you think about it?

Might work, seems like it COULD be legit. Why don't you try it and tell us?

Possible issue is that he doesn't have a fantastic anti-push against huge waves of creep unless he's highly levelled, and doesn't have hard disable. At best he may work as a lane support, but troll doesn't roam/gank well.

Silencer as support seems to provide the same capability- being able to mess with offlaners while having a global ult. And we definitely don't see silencer much.

i will try it tonight maybe, need a tmm to do that.

well comparing global silent and 60 attack speed global 7 second buff is really different, because silencer is like combo wombo hero with a skill and troll warlord is just combo wombo with right click attack.

Tonight ill try, aa troll as support, slark offlane, mid alchemist, and sniper carry. maybe it will work :3

troll warloard is so 6.78.. that's like last year. WHERE HAVE U BEEN? IN A CAVE SOMEWHERE? Ah I c ur account is only 1 year old. No wonder. You never suffered from the troll/slark tryhards smurfs.

He fits into a role similar to Lycan. Imo, he is arguably better than lycan with better lane control. Alternatively, he can compliment global strat with battle trance as an off-lane hero. Troll is definitely legit.

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oh hi there 2 years old account who looks like so proud about his account age :3

its good if 3core

I was actually thinking about making a post about troll recently, although I shy'd away from doing so..
What I was thinking was, a Mid Troll + a Safelane Tiny (Or vice versa, since both work afaik) would be a rax machine in mid game..
Aghs on tiny + trolls Ulti, whenever Ive played it melts towers in a second or two..
I remember winning a game that was pretty much a sure loss, Just by me (troll) and tiny going top lane, and backdooring the t3 tower+ rax with both of us having fairly crappy farm.. The DPS it does to towers is insane.. Then again, Im in sub potato teir.

Wouldn't this work in Comp dota? I know its kinda greedy, but its one crazy OP combo Imo.

pretty sure u can AP slark/troll warlord all the way from 3k to 4k. He works good cuz most 3k pubs forget he can do rosh from 12 mintues onward. And most of them don't care to ward or counter rosh once he get's phase boots & dominator.

I love the troll. My win rate is pretty good with him, although I only have 3 matches since ranked came out, but won all 3. Lifetime I'm around 68%. My experience is he can't keep up with other hard carrys, he's like a utility semi carry, more like mirana in that sense, or similar late game strength to say bloodseeker, but he can 1v1 most other carries because of the miss chance thing and his bash if they are stupid enough to fight you- it's like trying to 1v1 slardar. But he's really squishy and pretty easy to kite early so he's not that good in team fights until you have bkb and satanic. His damage doesn't scale the way say sven's does with his ult or luna's does with glavies. But he is a farming monster. That's the key is to farm like crazy and push lanes. Not full out rat but with his ult he can annhilate towers and if you happen to get your 5 stack on a rax with ult up it's gg.

He is also really good at doing rosh. Get phase boots, dominator or vlads (vlad's if there's other melee carries, dominator otherwise) and medallion and he can solo rosh around lvl 10. I find him easy to build, which is nice, not a lot of decision making on items. I pretty much always go phase, aquilla (really helps with farming as you can spam those axes), dominator, medallion, bkb, daedulus or mkb if I need truesight. I have heard sange and yasha is a great item on him but if you do that and still by cheap early items like aquilla and medallion you'll be 6 slotted really soon without room for big ticket items and I don't want to delay bkb and dominator + medallion is required to rosh.

He's also good in lane early with ranged capability to last hit if getting harassed and a capable nuke/miss chance inducer if they push you.

Instalock him against Phoenix.

I have some games with troll and i just play really agresive early, i mean even on lane his is amazing i think.

http://dotabuff.com/players/52567729/matches?hero=troll-warlord&lobby_type=&game_mode=&match_type=real

I like to stack hp with him, even if i need to get bkb i like to get S&Y and Drums ( plus he is a really fast hero ).

He is like Naix in the sense that he is made to play really agresive early,

Fervor rework looks nice on him

# Max stacks rescaled from 2/3/4/5 to 4
# Attack speed per stack rescaled from 20 to 16/22/28/34

= 40/60/80/100 -> 64/88/112/136
This is pretty significant early on I think. You only need a single point instead of 2 for 64IAS. Combined with a stun in lane and extra points you can put in axes it seems like troll could work well if played aggressively.

Same as all hard carries though, once they have a few items they can stand and fight, if he gets zoned out he's got nothing but a right click.

He is best played at mid. He beats almost every single hero in a 1v1 and pretty easily. A 50 mana 125 damage nuke at level 3 with only a 12 second cooldown is significantly good. Also his base damage and attack animation are really good. He is a strong late gamer on paper, but his mid game almost unmatched, only heroes like OD and TA can match his mid game power. You have so much damage even with very little farm, makes pushes way easier and creates space for your carry. After you get a BKB, you are a teamfight monster and a DPS machine at the same time. They need to kill you, but they can't because you are both very fast and magic immune.

Yeah on paper he's good late but in reality he seems to drop off compared to the really late game carries, you know the ones, spectre, sven, faceless void. He is a strong mid but he is almost never played there. I will have to try him there, my friend used to do it and dominate.

@Sam, not sure if troll is best for mid and definitely not in certain 1v1 matchups. His ranged form is mediocre with very high backswing, you cant trade hits against heroes like WR, Potm.

*edit* Technically you could toggle between ranged/melee to cancel backswing... im not sure if it is worth it though

You don't need to stay in range form though. A PMS and a bottle will generally be enough to counter the damage you are taking as the axes also give miss chance.

I think his armor on melee form is pretty high right ?

Yes it's something like 5 and also gives 100 HP.

~5 armor on level1

I think troll is a pretty legit hero. I used to do pretty well with him before his nerf. I think he is a pretty shitty carry but a good pusher and is good with a lot of pub right-clicking lineups.

what about troll meepo

tried it yesterday, but because the enemy is outplayed in every way i cant tell how good this line up is.

Maybe ill try it in tmm tonight if have time

http://dotabuff.com/matches/578606119

Hey Sam I agree that troll is a monster in lane.

But having +IAS from fervour + ult just doesn't feel as good as having +damage skills like refraction, necromastery or arcane orbs. Can't explain why either, just feels that way. Do you feel the same way?

@crimson

well actually if u comparing troll with hero such as ta,sf the different is troll only have 10% chance to stun. Which mean, really bad in the mid-late game. But otherwise his ults is really great 120 attack speed on 7 second is damn good imo.

Here's an example of troll as a buff support for other carries:
http://dotabuff.com/matches/579584184

Our mid blew, our support left me alone vs invoker and ogre magi (gg 2 shot) so I started like 0-6-4. Still managed to get decent farm though and win game cus troll ult + lone druid = towers dead. Also we straight up fought them in a couple 5v5s one right outside our top rax and one in a lane. Both times I crushed terrorblade. Whirling axes make it easy to see which one is real, he misses all his attacks, pop ult and bash him to death. He even got his sunder off one fight cus he had bkb, I was at ~20% hp but bashed him to death through his bkb and lived lol. I still died though, ogre came in an nuked me, but we won the fight wiped em, only I died.

So that's kind of how I feel about troll. He is so super squishy, any nuker can drop him fast, no escape, whirling axes fairly ineffective against nukers like ogre. But his flash farm is insane and he is an amazing pusher and really good team fighter. Never give up on a troll game, no matter how far behind.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/580430711

Hero confirmed for shit. Just get kited,hit 200 hits 0 bash thanks volvo

Deadshot, try getting phase drums hotd sangue and yasha.

I mean, i have tried to farm with troll, but believe me if you dont snowball with troll at late game you are going to get kited, most of my won games with troll i am really agresive early because i stack hp.

Examples:

http://dotabuff.com/matches/322253771

Late game, outcarried by moprh plus they had doom

http://dotabuff.com/matches/365133511

Snowball finished the game quickly

http://dotabuff.com/matches/463633064

Snowballed again, this time i was offlaning with troll, i had phase and hotd when magnus and best master tried to kill me, after they both used everynuke on me i had 100 hp so i just used my ulti and started to hit them and to lifesteal back all my hp, double kill.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/244585170
http://dotabuff.com/matches/248054676

both of this game i failed ending the game quickly so i just lost in late game, like every troll game that i have that goes into late game.

Faced Troll+Tiny the other day, but we had rubick so basically every time they had 7sec of IAS, we did too.

Also, getting mkb against him makes troll's life miserable.

anyone tried troll support? post your match wanna see :D

What would a troll support item progression look like?

idk whats the best for him, thats why I asked -,-

but since he have 40 bonus movement speed, tranquil + drum not bad. permanent 450++ movement speed if im not wrong.

Uhh troll is kinda support, he's like an aura buff + ult for other carries as is. Just go vlads instead of hod and drums early, viola, aura wanderer. Then maybe ac even though I think that will put him above max attack speed. Max is 400, lvl 3 ult plus max stacked fervor is 316. Add in any agi items plus base agi growth and he's really close so I think the ac attack speed would be wasted but I guess if you just go vlads ac and + dmg items it might not be too much of a waste.

But that's what I've been trying to say this whole thread, he's best when grouped with other big time carries to buff their speed. Like the game I won with lone druid.