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Noé

    Why? Why does Linkens block Impale? It's no longer a targeted spell, so why does it block?
    I just lost a game of nyx because of this. All of the enemy heroes were overfarmed, but pl was pushing racks and they were TPing back. I bought back, blinked in and impaled. Canceled one tp, the other one linkens blocked. Fuck. This.

    Manobo

      I guess its seen as a targeted/skill shot spell. Rather than a ONLY targetable spell. something like venge stun or sven stun are pure targetable spells.

      If you use Lions Earth spike as a skill shot and click on the hero it pops the linkens
      Same as EarthShakers fissure. Because you can click on the hero and click on the ground.
      I guess since it was both just like Earth spike in older patch, its blocked by linkensphere regardless.

      FlipFlop

        learn and move on

        white tiger

          Yep. It's no matter, targeting you are your enemy or not, Impale in Dota 2 is always blocked. Use manaburn or something item before impale next time.

          Wink

            Honestly, it should be patched out. Unlike Earth Spike and Fissure, you cannot target heroes with Impale anymore.

            Dire Wolf

              Does linkins block pudge hook?

              epsik-kun

                Nope. But it blocks Dismember.

                yiran

                  It's not unit target-able anymore, it shouldn't trigger Linken's if the Linken's rules are to be concordant with before.

                  Neme

                    Pudge hooks : it blocks damage, but not drag ( not sure about mini stun, i know they changed that , to something, not really sure )

                    On topic, when Nyx impale was targeted ( live venge stun ), linkens was able to block it. Now when they buffed that impale, being target ground spell, it doesn't block it.

                    Wink

                      ^it doesnt block pudge hook at all nor should it block impale

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                      Dire Wolf

                        Uhh, the op is saying it DOES block it even though it's not targeted. It doesn't make sense that linkins blocks hook dmg either though.

                        Let's face it dota is a very inconsistent game. I know a lot of the mechanics are for balance but there's a ton of stuff you don't realize til it actually happens like clinkz searing arrows are an orb but can stack with skadi... I mean WTF? And diffusal feedback works with melee illusions but not ranged. That one I get for balance but still not something you realize without reading some detailed tooltips.

                        Half the time I am asking my team wait does so n so's ult go through bkb? Cus I can't keep straight all the crap that goes through bkb, not to mention half the shit where the effect goes through but not the dmg.

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                        Wink

                          ^yeah i mistyped, editted my comment, and i agree with what you say

                          epsik-kun

                            @Let the Wookie win
                            Most of this inconsistency comes from DotA Allstars. Many of original WC3 abilities, be it hero, unit or item ones, were altered for creating unique feel of game. Some of these abilities had hardcoded parameters that couldn't be changed as long as you relaying on original WC3 skill. Therefore back then there were nuances in the game mechanics that couldn't be removed without rewriting the whole map from the very beginning. Various orb-effect restrictions are part of these nuances.
                            Dota 2 just tries to keep same game feeling DotA Allstars had. So, despite game engine actually allows to get rid of all DotA Allstars issues, they were purposely kept.
                            One of a great examples was Ursa from quite old version of the game. His passive was based on "Passive Incinerate" skill from WC3 (it's also base skill for Sand King's passive) which could add damage only on ranged units. So, Ursa was a ranged hero for quite a long time until the skill was rewritten.

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                            Neme

                              I thought it blocked, but now i see i was wrong.
                              @epsi Lol, i remember that thing. Was somewhere around 5.xx version.

                              Dire Wolf

                                I don't really mind if it's for balance, but it seems like the nyx thing was made non target as a buff and it's a bug that linkins blocks it. Mainly it's just annoying that you have to read the extended tooltips so in detail for every hero to know whether bkb is gonna save you or what not. Like bristle's quills are physical but can't be blocked by shields. Um ok fine, but it's quite confusing to new players.

                                Quick maffs

                                  Didnt linkens block dark seer wall ?

                                  Noé

                                    I honestly think that it shouldn't be blocked. Fissure, and earth spike from lion are both spells that can be targeted, it doesn't matter if you don't target. Also, there was no time for me to mana burn first, the impale barely landed on TB.