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General DiscussionSo... Just got flamed for Phase, Drums on Invoker???

So... Just got flamed for Phase, Drums on Invoker??? in General Discussion
Therron

    Has this build become obsolete? We weren't trying a pushing strat by any means so I didn't do Basi or Necro. What item choices would have been better? Phase, Force? Or did I just have someone wanting to place blame on someone for losing?!

    Match in question - http://dotabuff.com/matches/571102411

    I'm aware none of us did very good. We got outplayed bigtime. But Dazzle wasn't very happy with me and I was the only one catching shit.

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    Androgynous

      I believe you don't need Phase if you're on a QE invoker, exort gives you enough damage. The playstyle of a QE invoker is generally to dominate the mid, push the tower when they leave the lane, and sun strike other lanes rather than ganking them. Because of this fairly passive playstyle, Midas helps Invoker get a level advantage (so he can get double forge spirits sooner).

      King of Low Prio

        u will get flamed for any item

        Gustaphos

          What sampson said.

          I do not play invoker but one of my friend list guys do quite a bit:

          http://dotabuff.com/players/136449412/matches?hero=invoker&lobby_type=&game_mode=&match_type=real

          He typically gets phase/force staff/euls or sheepstick and scepter. If he is doing awesome farming mid, he grabs a Hand Of Midas before 6:00 min mark 8 tops.

          Yeah I would ditch the drums and probably get force staff instead, then roll into your ags scepter. Invoker is probably one of the hardest or the hardest characters to play anyways. If your side lanes feed like that where your other teammates are making you average a death a minute I mean its a tough climb no matter what.

          Wink

            im not a fan of drums on invoker, i prefer higher mobility items like blink and forcestaff, but i dont see a reason to be flamed for building it... its still a good item in general.

            @caveman
            in regard to your friend, whats his mmr? because i could not see an invoker living very long in a teamfight without at least 2 mobility items, and he seems to be doing euls/sheep rush every game...

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            Therron

              Thanks for the replies guys. There was no way we were going to win that anyways (Tide ults when the enemy was songed, No tide ult when they were grouped as 5, etc.). I was just surprised to see so much hate by going drums.

              By no means am I saying I played perfect. But man there were some big mistakes made by my teamates.

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              Wink

                if you go QE, you should build blink -> euls. this gives you mobility from blink and MS from euls, as well as survivability from tornado, good mana regen, and the ability to 3 spell combo with euls scepter.

                and if you go QW, you should build blink -> forcestaff, which gives you extremely high mobility which helps a lot in teamfights because you do so little damage after tornado + emp so it helps chase as well as survive.

                before i bought blink, i though it was situational, but then i tried it out and realised blink is actually so core on invoker, i cant stand to play him without it anymore

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                Wink

                  LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

                  screencapped those games omfg

                  Gustaphos

                    Wink would know best here out of anyone I like his builds.

                    Lagger why would you do 4 or 5 sets of drums? It doesn't stack the movement speed right? Just stats? Weird.

                    real nigga

                      what else gives such great stats and is such an eco choice! #drums4life

                      Gustaphos

                        Whatever happens on SE asian servers better stay on SE asian servers. all drums new meta.....

                        Gustaphos

                          Oh my favorite LAGGER build so far:

                          http://dotabuff.com/matches/455640930

                          Triple quelling blade on a shadow shaman.

                          real nigga

                            Dude have u seen my 6 boots shaman

                            http://dotabuff.com/matches/199628555

                            Wink

                              im pretty sure lagger just sells all his items and buys multiple items for lelz at the end of a game

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                              real nigga

                                for those 4 above i didnt but for the rest of my games with stupid builds yes

                                Gustaphos

                                  I just don't have enough hands to hold my face up after seeing these.

                                  Neme

                                    Drums are awesome on invoker, if you go that line of midas + phase + blink ( force, euls, etc ) simply because you get that much needed health.

                                    Manny Mammoth

                                      Some guy was screaming for the enemy team to report me once for buying a dagon on bounty

                                      xsilas43

                                        just dont build midas

                                        Faded

                                          with the new buff to his MS durin ghost walk id say theres no need for drums at all

                                          sano

                                            arteezy is playing tinker with phase drums at jDL and he's not being flamed, sup boys

                                            Low Expectations

                                              I think invoker is the best midas hero in game