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KAISLE

    the russian account seller, jet shark/olki/whatever u wanna call him is selling fresh lvl 13 accounts without games for 30$

    he currently sold 117 accounts

    http://dotabuff.com/matches/571042241 (note the name in the match... mmrv117)

    117*30$=3510$

    if u think its just a random number, go further back in the game history of one of his alt accounts that he use for sandboxie u will see lower numbers, like mmrv90, eventually going all the way back to 1 i suppose

    http://dotabuff.com/players/126635065/matches?game_mode=&hero=&lobby_type=&match_type=unreal&page=7

    kinda surprising theres so much demand

    Dire Wolf

      Yeah I guess so, but how long does it take to level an account to 13?

      Wink

        ^a day at most, and he can do 10 accounts at a time

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        Gustaphos

          Yeah IDK how cost effective that is. That game took an hour to "complete" even though it looks like they just sat in the fountain. IDK how many games it takes to get lvl 13 maybe what 100 games, without a points booster? Just a guess.

          So 10 accounts loading at a time

          1 hr *100 games= 1000 hrs.

          You could make $3510 in about 6 weeks if you didn't sleep. $1 USD is $36.19 russian rubles right now. So $3510 is actually $127026.90 in russian rubles. Sounds like good money over there. He's probably got a sweatshop of people taking turns and using old junker pc's doing this.

          If it takes 6 weeks to do then 10 accounts at a time (if that was all he was doing but probably doing 100's at a time) he could make a max of $30,420 if only doing 10 accounts per 6 weeks.

          Hrmmmm....... not a bad idea but still a lame way to make dough. You know that has to be some piss poor working conditions...

          EDIT: @ WINK A day only?????????? are you sure? I was just calculating an hour game based off of the one he pulled up.

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          KAISLE

            Pretty sure is doing it all by himself

            Using sandboxie and 10 different accounts

            Queue them together for tmm on south african server and he goes afk for 1 hour while game is on

            And yea, a day sounds likely. Only takes about 15 of those TMM games to get lvl 13 on each.

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            Gustaphos

              TMM gives you more levels than mmr or normal mm?

              Wink

                @caveman
                i get like 120 points from a 1 hour game (without boosters)

                If he uses a 400% booster, he gets 480 points in a game. thats just over 2 games per level. 13 levels in ~26 games, so just over a day for 10 accounts

                Dire Wolf

                  I was just trying to narrow this down to a per hour number. If you can really make $300 a day that's pretty dang good. Cus I was expecting it to be a piddly amount like $2 an hour or something lol

                  Gustaphos

                    Wow. Damn thats some cash then.

                    Wink

                      Dont forget it costs him $$ to buy those boosters, so he may have $300 a day in revenue, but there are fees... and i bet his internet bill is off the charts

                      epsik-kun

                        I'm pretty sure that this kind of grinding can be easily automated by writing a simple program.

                        And there are quite cheap no-limits Internet tariffs in European part of Russia.

                        PS I don't think he actually sold so many of them, though.

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                        n7k1

                          Its Valve's fault that people get greedy. they kinda put the seed from start with all the bonuses, virtual goods, boosters and a glorified number called rating. If u come down to the core its just a guy who had a vision and created an imperium with sth he liked: videogames.

                          We are just like puppies sucking on his tits. Still feels good, doesnt it?

                          Kidades

                            @ESP | Wink
                            You didn't include the 80% boost that the other accounts give, so it's actually 400% (booster) + 720% (9*80 - boost from others) + 100% (base rate) = 1220%

                            An AFK game ends in 55 minutes on average and gives ~78XP per game so that's 78 *12.2 = 950 XP per game.
                            If you include party and recruit bonus, that's like ~80% more so we can say that he gets 1000 per game.
                            Level 13 requires a total of 9860 XP.
                            So it requires 10 games to reach level 13, which is doable in half a day.

                            @-hg- Cpt. Caveman
                            $3510 is worth the same in rubles as in any other currency. Just because it's a higher number it doesn't mean it's worth more. Sure, in Russia things are cheaper but that doesn't really matter. :S

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                            Hopeless

                              Valve nerfed the battle boost trick awhile ago. Doesn't work in team games... not sure if it works in co-op vs bots anymore.

                              Regardless, at least valve is trying to stop this sorta thing.

                              You also have to calculate the cost of doing this. Putting aside electric bills and all that shit, he still has to buy the boosters for example.

                              BoJack

                                i bought mmrv5 for ~15 usd.

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                                BoJack

                                  seller is also not russian hes from kazakhstan or some shit

                                  BoJack

                                    @Kidades

                                    not necessarily things in RUssia are cheaper, ive been to Moscow about 2 years ago and everything was incredibly expensive (food, hotels, clothing, taxis etc). from my experience the only city that beats moscow in terms of cost is London, not even where i live is that expensive (rio).

                                    KAISLE

                                      @atum

                                      i contacted him last week and he said 10 keys/25$

                                      guess price is rising steadily

                                      EmptyJar

                                        The point here is that 400% boosters aren't even for sale. And how freaking stupid do you have to be to spend 30$ on a 13lvl account... @ max ppl should pay 10. But hey, since retards exist this guy can make good money.

                                        Kidades

                                          @EmptyJar

                                          1. Spend $30
                                          2. Get 6k MMR
                                          3. Sell for $80
                                          4. Profit?
                                          Repeat.

                                          Others who buy are 3k scrubs who want to feel better about themselves, expecting to get 6k but get disappointed when they get only 4k.

                                          Dire Wolf

                                            Moscow is like the most expensive city in the world, always up there with London. But in general people in russia make less money that in say the US or western Europe so yes the country does matter. Someone making 6 figures in USD probably isn't going to bother with power leveling accounts unless it's super lucrative. But my feeling is if a bunch of people started doing this the bottom would drop out of the prices and accounts would be like $5. Just wait til the chinese sweatshops catch on like with WoW gold.

                                            EmptyJar

                                              Chinese ppl will only be able to sell chinese accs=censored and so on

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