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General DiscussionFlash Farming and come back heroes ... ?

Flash Farming and come back heroes ... ? in General Discussion
DeathClutch

    (Preferably MID)
    Apart from SF which to my understanding is a great hero with an amazing early mid and mid game along side with some serious flash farming ability what are some of the other heroes that can actually scale really well and out farm others even without a serious kill advantage also this hero can actually come back in the game even if he suffers in the laning phase. I have seen arteezy naga mid and he just goes 600-800 GPM in every game which makes him impossible to deal with in the mid game where he is already 6 slotted and way ahead of others bringing forth an easy win. I'm mainly looking for the heroes that you can run mid ... winning the lane is not an issue I'm looking forward to heroes that can outfarm others easily, at my current level mostly people don't know about intermediate stuff and waste alot of time just hanging around doing nothing at all (losing xp and gold) and the gpm 's are not that great if they don't have a serious kill advantage. If they can be outfarmed with proper heroes it can pretty much get things rolling in our favour.

    i quit

      natures prophet
      ember
      alch
      tb
      morph
      DP
      necro

      ZeUs!

        AM can outfarm too if u get the bfury fast enough

        Hopeless

          timbersaw for flash farming, not so much come back....

          Lycan
          phantom lancer
          Dusa
          Void
          spectre

          all this is theoretical.

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          6_din_49

            Mortred with battlefury is also quite good at flash farming. Gyro is great for taking creep waves and many stacks of neutrals, but not that good at jungling without stacking because of the flak canon cooldown.

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            Neme

              Medusa, luna gyro, kunka

              Aerium

                try storm spirit. max revenant.add one overload hit.wave=gone

                Manny Mammoth

                  Luna is love.
                  Luna is life.

                  Wink

                    Alchemist has great comeback potential, dat passive UUUMPH

                    Gustaphos

                      I would say any 2 star or 3 star carries which everyone has mentioned here. I would not pick AM though he is extremely hard to get to the point of flash farming IMO, + he has a high loss rate on here for pubs.

                      mwsqz

                        try storm spirit. max revenant.add one overload hit.wave=gone

                        mwsqz

                          dusa/tinker mid if ur plan is to outfarm the world
                          ancient neutrals

                          Gustaphos

                            Yes Dusa is tough to farm:

                            http://dotabuff.com/matches/514664040

                            I won but damn she doesn't come online for teamfights for a very long time. Game was over an hour and anytime I win with her it is 45 min +. I don't care for long games so therefore I do not like to play medusa.

                            mwsqz

                              that wasnt my point, nvm-

                              whoji

                                am and alch and pl. they always come back

                                Mia

                                  Never let pl go late.
                                  NEVER
                                  YOU CANT STOP THE MARCH

                                  Vaikiss`742.

                                    none

                                    epsik-kun

                                      Medusa's farming ability grows exponentially, as the game goes. Also she is the best holder of most "comeback" item in the game. So, she can pretty easily pull off 600+ gpm even after extremely shitty laning phase.

                                      whoji

                                        @epsik-kun.
                                        when i played dusa, i feel that her farming always quite bad, even after linken.
                                        need advice: how to farm with dusa.

                                        and you go linken->skadi->butterfly. have you tried other build ? how about manta ?

                                        Neme

                                          Go pt>linkens>manta>butterfly>satanic>dr

                                          Always make linkens, it is just too good to pass out. And trust me, this items, can be farmed in, lets say 40 minutes
                                          After linkens, you farm by using snake, and split shot ( when snake goes off, creeps will be killed in 2 hits )
                                          From them, play safe, carry tp ( sigh ) and stack ancients

                                          Dire Wolf

                                            Doom. Doom is paper early but a beast late and with ability doom he can lockdown other carries forever.

                                            Legion is pretty sick if she wins enough duels. Suddenly snowballs into unstoppable.

                                            epsik-kun

                                              @whoji
                                              Yes I had. First few games with her I tried to make Manta like cool guys do. And then I come to realize that's a trash item for her. Same goes for PT.

                                              IMO most essential items for Medusa is Phase Boots and Linken's. Her farming IS bad (it is freaking terrible) in the very beginning of the game, where you have no damage, no health, nothing. So it's very difficult to lasthit, harass and survive.
                                              Buying some damage items (I used to go on a lane with a tango and ring of basilius, but I'm trying blades now) solves this partially. Buying PB (starting with blades) helps a ton. Then you go Perseverance (RoH if laning is tough, VS if it isn't) for even more damage and staying potential. After that you're going Linken's.

                                              After you finished Linken's you're usually have at least one point in Split Shot (Even if you went +22+24etc build). Medusa with Linken's and PB can easily farm 3+ stacks of Ancients in like one minute. So from there onward you're farming the lane, sometimes go into jungle to kill double stacked big camp (while killing medium passing by).
                                              It would be great to have someone to stack camps for you, but you can do it yourself (if you're not wasting too much precious farming time on it).

                                              Your main goal at the point - to not die. You'll have your gold without killing anyone. Your ultimate combined with a TP scroll is a great escape mechanism, just learn to time it properly.

                                              And when you get your Skadi, you'll become the pain in their asses. From now on everything you do is farming. Farm everything. Farm creeps, neutrals, ancients, towers. Do you see enemies fighting with your team in your reach? Farm the enemies then. If they isn't - farm their base - they'll come for you to farm them.

                                              In 5v5 fight Medusa with Linken's and Skadi is too damn good.

                                              After you get Butterfly, you're capable of not only being the pain, but actually killing any stuff thrown at you. If you look up my games, there would be very few with me losing while holding a Butterfly. And ones that are loses are usually with Butterfly farmed after Mega Creeps or somewhere near.

                                              tl;dr
                                              Dusa is sexy.

                                              PS You should keep in mind, that I'm shit tier player - only ~3k MMR. I do have quite a lot of WC3 map editing experience, though.
                                              PPS I could explain my opinion on Manta if someone cares.
                                              PPPS Sry for bad English.

                                              Guts

                                                Alchemist, got shutdown early 0-4 came back 16-6 later with a lot of farm.

                                                MadBeast

                                                  Phantom assassin.

                                                  Faded

                                                    Luna is easy to deal with unless she's also 6 slotted... as any other hard carry hero with huge push and hero kill potential i.e. PL/CK.

                                                    I can't really contribute much ideas towards an ideal flash farm hero pool... there's just so many variables to prevent you from soloing a pub game consistently.

                                                    Mа§таÐøøм

                                                      Alch has stupid good comeback, and really good farming, especially if you know the jungle trick to him. TA is also pretty good at showing mid who is the boss and with Pis Blades, can farm decently well.