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General DiscussionAgainst Mega creeps, Insane splitpush team- Medusa build

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Peekaboo

    http://dotabuff.com/matches/464552942
    What esactally should i have gone, i think mom + crits woulda been last 2 items and selling dom. but well, i dunno

    they just tp in with all things around the throne and chip it away.

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    Fay

      cant
      i fought one of them the other day,
      no matter how free farm medusa could get
      and how many kills they are ahead
      they still lost
      http://dotabuff.com/matches/461001669

      Fay

        radiant was winning btw

        Relentless

          You just needed to win sooner. Ultimately Split shot is just not good enough to beat 3 lanes of megas and 5 heros and mass necro books.

          I once lost a game to a push strat in dota 1 when we were up 68 - 4 on kills. Kills just don't matter, only towers/rax/throne.

          If you are likely to be in this situation someone at least has to get a radiance to grab the agro of all the megas or there is no chance. Radiance will kill every mega creep but the siege in 25 seconds even if you don't attack them once. If will also hold their agro off the throne during that time. That frees up your team to do other things. Alchemist should have got it in this game.

          Radiance is the ultimate superlate game counter push tool. You just have to get one to have a chance in this kind of situation.

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            Relentless

              Even megas still only come every 30 seconds. And max hp for the melee is 1270, range 1015. They have no magic resistance. Radiance will do 1250 dmg in 25 seconds. You just need to be tanky (phase to move through them and heart are best) and walk around collecting them from each lane to keep them off the throne. Most will never hit you once and all of them will die to just radiance burn.

              Spectre or Phantom Lancer are the best heroes to do this, but its pretty easy for alchemist too. Then the rest of your team can deal with the heroes/ and or push a lane.

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              Relentless

                Another thing you could do is get a hex. The huge mana pool and regen are really pretty good for medusa's shield anyway. Wisp and NP announce their port in several seconds in advance. You could be ready to hex them the instant they appear and only drow got bkb. If you hex drow as wisp ports her in and kill her immediately or NP a lot less dmg is done and you have a chance to push out.

                There are probably a lot of superlate games that could be won if the carry would just get a hex. But they so rarely think of it.

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                briedis

                  Your build fine is fine imo. The suggestion from Relentless is actually pretty good -- Xboct went Hex on Dusa vs Liquid and it worked just fine. I mean, when does Hex not work out? Especially on a hero that converts mana into hp.

                  Invoker's items seem a bit off. 24 kills/23k gold with just Aghs and Refresher?

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                  Sieg

                    Bird bomb the Ancient with BM is the way to go.

                    Yoichi Isagi | Blue Lock

                      I feel she really needs a bloodstone or linken for that mana shield. Butter helps too. I'm liking the http://dotabuff.com/matches/461001669 dusa more than yours. You effectively near double or triple your HP life pool with just bloodstone/butterfly combo.

                      Wink

                        mana regen too mainstream for timbersaw.

                        Peekaboo

                          the thing is, we were getting rolled earlier, i only had manta, bkb and 3k when we got raxed 2 lanes, i didn't bother going linkens for the sheer fact taht they had nothing but AOE spells and disables. I ultimately lost because splitshot doesnt shoot the whole Aoe of the throne and i can't walk the full distance to the back to stop the necro books while defending the front section.

                          In heinsight, i think i needed Alc to get a vlads and maybe radiance, and be able to solo push a lane to a rax with buyback ofc.
                          i was never going to be able to leave teh ancient, and i think i needed my voker to sit with me at the back of the throne and kill the tps'

                          Timber saw had a 0 charge bloodstone, he just sold it to get a book.

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