In my opinion mortred should die first whenever possible, because he has highest DPS and lowest survivability.
Depends on your team.
If you guys can survive dps ult focus pa. If you cant survive it focus her
I feel like you OP, sometimes a really tank hero is the one doing more damage ( dp, timbersaw ) in this case i really dont know who to focus, the suports who are easy to kill and usually are the ones with disables, the glass canon, or the tank who does a lot of damage.
I know in theory you should burst down the glass canon, but usually the tank ( lets say death prophet ) wipes your team while you are killing the glass canon.
definitely dump your ulti on DP. every time. shes gonna completely shit on your team with her ulti if you dont blow her up fast.
PA can be dealt with via hex/abyssal.
but really you shouldnt have let their cores get fat because obviously you're gonna get outcarried. your only option would have been taking midgame fights where you lasso krob and burst her down then her team cant rlly do anything.
Windrunner should get a double shackle off if mirana is in the back
Pa can out carry both naix and alch because of her burst damage.
You cant really kill off any of them but supports easily
Until very late game in the situation you describe you have to blink ult krob (ideally before he pops ghosts). Not only does Krob do far far more dps than anyone else on their team (until PA has 2 dmg items and level 16), but Krob can silence your entire team for 6 seconds.
If you can't burst down Krobelus then you have basically lost the game already. There is no other way to win that fight unless the enemy team is just incompetent. Your team should be able to do it if you are not way behind. Blink ult with bat and fstaff back, Alch throws acid first then charges 4 sec stun on him while everyone attacks. Unless Krob has 2 hearts, AC + Shivas he's not going to survive that... unless there is some serious counter initiation like a chronoshere, reverse polarity, or a black hole to save him. Or a really hard core "save ppl" hero like Dazzle, Omniknight, Chen or Earth Spirit.
It should not be possible to "bait" against a pick off combo as good as Batrider + Alchemist. But then if you can't execute the blink-ult force out before they click on you... well you lost the game. Being fastest on the quick draw matters. Usually batriders are fast enough to do it.
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Late game PA should not be countered by attacking her during bkb. People should have Fstaff (certainly WR should) and Fstaff the target she blinked on away before too much dmg is done (again being fast is important). Ghost scepters and Fstaff is how to counter PA. Then you kill her after bkb ends with disables. PA is countered so easily this way. That is why she is almost never picked in pro games. Get Fstaff on Bat, WR and Jak and PA will be worthless. Add in a few ghosts and PA may not get off more than 1 attack before dieing.
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Each fight and each game has different priorities depending on the exact levels/items/heros/map position/ and the position of heroes in the fight. It's very difficult to analyse in most cases and there is no time to do it! But in the case of a Death Prophet based team its pretty easy. Focusing DP is the right choice almost always until super late game. The team you describe (LS, Alchemist, Jak, Bat, WR), Mirrna would have to be extremely farmed to be a serious threat. Every one of those heroes is hard to kill. Even the Jakiro has a good STR gain and easily farms basic survivability items.
not only these kind of line up but also in many games where it goes to late game and both teams are equally matched... like i dont know if my team mates know who to focus are they reasoning right enough? or are they just assuming... and most focus fires lead to overextension
for example:
team radiant : ok guys lets focus on OD cause he F***** hurts
at clash***
* every radiant hero focuses on OD (DIE OD!!)
* OD is now in low health
* OD use his micro skills to survive and forcestaff away and also forcestaffed by his teammates
* OD is in the backline
* radiant heroes continue chasing OD and they dont realize they are now surrounded by dire heroes.... -_- and they all die because of overextension in chasing OD
(just an example)
i dont know if my reasoning failed on who to focus on a clash but in a clash as a support i always just disable carries whenever they are not on BKB and my job is done already... or when im a carry i always use luna or gyro just because no need to focus and just rick click things out and hope ur damage cleave to all of your enemies :D
i also remember games from dota 1 where i think its nirvana vs ehome i think?(not sure) where ehome use morphling vs nirvana's alche(old alche) in order for ehome to win they kill all or focus on alchemist's support because hes very tanky(old meta where alchemist's build is radiance cuirass tarasque manta)
One thing to remember is actually just how the enemy team is positioned.
This is for cases when your team does not have a badass initiation for complete crowd control such as naga ult or blink tide.
Don't choose specifically choose one target before engaging because it can fuck up your whole team having to chase through a couple heroes before getting in range of the target.
We're not playing against any professional teams (if you are.. then I shouldn't be saying anything and hope to get some advice from you lol). A big difference between pubs and pros is positioning. Get the most out of your engagement with the minimal loss by instagibbing cc supports if they accidentally walk to the frontline. If you can't burst down their carry in 3 or 4 seconds, don't bother targeting him first.
Check their items too... don't get toyed too hard by euls, forcestaffs and green scepta.
You got out-picked. Let's say u guys do a good job 5v4 30-40 minutes in. Only base tower left. All sudden PA come in with BF dominator combo... GG!
You have to naix bomb and alchemist sb into killing/bursting korb or mirana early. Cuz if you let a really good mirina kite. She could potentially kill all your supports before you gusy can 2v2. (alchemist/naix vs. POTM/pa.
All in all unless u can't stop PA's farm you guys are screwed. One of them 14 mintue battlefury in 25-30 minute abyssal blade/dominator build and GG.
actually thats the most problem i see when i play pubs.... all my teammates chase down a certain hero in a clash... as a support i cant go in the middle of a teamfight and get bursted down because of my carries overextending like shi*t thats why i sometimes leave them and let them die :D
Your team carries are all melee... late game is very hard to play, you can only pick off the out positioned one if possible.
Whoever come hit the tower is definitely out positioned, since mirana stay in the back, I assume dp is the one ult and walk in the front.
windrunner should get dps equipment if it's real late game
You usually get a feel throughout the game on who to focus. It really depends on the situation. If you know you're losing team fights because of focusing a certain hero, for the next team fight you change up your plan. If you've been winning team fights because you focus down a certain hero first, you obviously continue to do that until there's a new obstacle. That's the way I see it.
Generally you try to focus the supports first (if you're the carry), or the squishy glass canons(OD, Sniper, PA if she is squishy). Also you should try to focus the guys that are within your range so you don't waste time walking.
You should never try to focus heroes like Mirana, because she can just leap away and regen, making your efforts completely useless.
Batrider catch krobelus and the others focus on him while naix or alchemist kill the 2 supports. Windranger tries to land a shackle while PA/mirana and their sups try to help krobelus. Jakiro should be at the back doing defensive stuffs or lock krobelus if she's not dead in 1 combo.
ehh u guys its just only an example i want to learn about who to focus more.....
Generally, if they have more equally farmed carries I'd say you did a bad job early game from countering their farm. Anyway, in a situation where you are being outcarried, best course of action would be to focus the guy with most dps and hex or otherwise disable the rest. So in your situation it should probably be: Lasso Krob and force staff her into your team, naix and Alche chew through her with their items (what do they have btw? If they have like a ac, abyssal, pt, mjolnir, bkb, mkb etc. they could kill her in seconds together). While that was happening your supports hexed the enemy carries while they were figuring out what's happening and now you are fighting a 4v5. What happens from there depends how good you can kite and a bit of luck. That's just how I think of it.
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ok so im like a captain of my friends because i generally have a 5 years experience of playing dota and have been watching tournaments since the time of kingsurf and MYM until now... but still when my friends question me whom to focus i dont really dont know what to say... for example:
enemy team : tri core + 2 supports( all cores are generally fat)
krobelus
phantom assassin
mirana
some random 2 supports
my team: our carries are also fat
naix
batrider(me) - not using this account though
alche
jakiro
windranger
so i dont really know who to focus because their tricores are really fat, here are my possible options:
1.) focus krobelus cause those ghost ****** hurts, but korbelus is too hard to focus(bloodstone, phase boots, forcestaff, ghost scepter, guinsoo) because shes kinda tanky and got defensive items such as forcestaff and ghost.... move to option number 2
2.) focus on phantom assassin wait for him to activate his BKB then i lasso him( im batrider) or else our team will get wiped out with his 1000+ crits ....move to option number 3
3.) focus on mirana cause she is doing the glass cannon build( all damage items with no defensive items such as bkb or linkens) but wait this guy who plays mirana is always in the backline and not letting himself focused by enemy heroes dealing massive damage to our team and has leap making her a mobile hero... move to option number 1 and 2 geez again
4.)or at least i wait someone for them to get outpositioned and thats the hero that i will lasso and get focused ... oh wait when they push krob is bait and the one pushing tower while the other heroes are in the backline and ready for an anti initiation... bad choice.. move to option 5
5.) focus the supports, they are easy to kill
so this is my question , how to determine who to focus?
1.) in mid game, heroes with burst damage must be focused... so thats why people focus on puck, qop, zeus, etc... what if its timbersaw do you focus if he is tanky enough cause he can deal great amount of burst damage
2.) on early game, players punishes supports because of their low level making them an easy kill
3.) in 4 protect 1 you should only focus on the enemy carry cause no carry no win in team fight?
4)focus who is a very annoying like riki and gondar who roams around the map looking for kills
5.) do you focus the bait? obviously not...
6.) the one dealing with the most damage? ehh need calculator though i dont know if PA or krobelus deals the most damage maybe PA...
7.) what if they are running dual cores like most chinese team after post TI3 one tank and one damage (e.g. DK/alche+ weaver/mirana/other heroes with some sort of mobility) who to focus the tank or the one that deals damage?
8.) this is how i focus in most clashes... in 5v5 clashes when im carry i usually find myself focusing on enemy heroes that are in the middle of the fight of course surrounded by my teammates..... i dont really go for supports / range carries on the back lines cause they are mobile having escape mechanisms and might risk a teamfight....
so who to focus generally?