@saboia if you still read this topic... Valve stated in a post that if you start winning/losing games you werent supposed to, based on your rating, your uncertanity will GROW, so you will get or lose MORE points. So you def wont need 92 wins if you go on a winning streak, system will put you into games you should lose, you just have to win those games, 5-6 in a row and you will be a lot higher. Thats how ppl came out of normal bracket or go from high to vh and stay there, if they supposed to. If it was just a fortunate but undeserved winstreak, they will get a lose-streak, get uncertanity again and lose more rating, getting back where they belong. As some people stated here, you can get/drop even 100 rating on one game if your uncertanity was high and the match didnt go as it should, based on team's ratings. This system would work quiet well for only solo players. For stacks, only prohibiting 4stacks and not messing solos into stacks would help...
If it works as I think it does, your first some (4-6) wins are fine, normal.. Then when you start winning more, you will get some stronger opponents, and if you win against them, your rating wont change much BUT your uncertanity will. After some more games, when its enough high, your rating will start growing rapidly. I guess it should be after 11 winstreaks or 15-1 kinda things... The numbers were just guesses. If you want to know better, check smurf accounts records and look for streaks. Also other VH players streaks can help you. Usually you get that when you leave a bracket/skill level, I think. These are all guesses, dont take them seriously... But it should work somehow like this.
I cant get the point of solo MMR, if you are still put together with stacks =/
no one responded to my post, but I think I would be best served not going solo ranked until i try to buff my stats.
I'm disappointed in particular that K/DA plays any role in ranking. All that matters is winning. I don't see why an imitator or support should be negatively rated for dying if it helps the team. The reports of winning but getting negative rating is really stupid.
I plan to play normal mode for awhile and try to win with as high a k/da as possible. Since the MMR seems based on the unranked mmr going in, It would be awful if it went poorly and ended up in a low bracket with no way out.
Where can you see how much ur rating changes / game? How many points it goes up and down etc. Does it say anywhere? I know u can check urself but i mean to check calibration etc.
The player pool is split now with the new modes, so its going to take longer. One would hope the length would be to create better games but it actually seems to get worse the longer it goes. I believe some people actually reque after several minutes because of this belief.
If it works like what Relentless said then how the fuck are you supposed to gain rating without stacking? The way the system teams you up with random retards nearly every game, its impossible to SINGLE-HANDEDLY ensure that your team wins by a large GPM margin.
Explains why my games where I play excellent support but lose because my team is reatrded still dont give me a ranking gain. Individual performance should be taken far more into account in losing games.
I really don't think dota 2 is supposed to be played solo. Valve seems to agree. They have never made a decision that was more than merely accommodating the possibility of solo play.
Solo play is just for fun. Stacking, preferably 5 stacking, is real dota. People should have significantly higher MMR with parties than solo. If not, then... why would you want someone on your team that causes you to do worse? Maybe they are your irl friend.
There is a solo ranking, its just not as important. Its nice to have the option to play solo if your friends are not on right now... or you want to practice heroes and not cause a problem for friends.
I don't know how many times I've said it (probably over 20 threads) "dota is a team game". Not only is it not balanced and set up for solo play, dota SHOULD NOT be set up for solo play. Valve is doing the right thing by encouraging teamplay over solo play. This will lead to a better experience for everyone. It will even lead to a better solo experience because more players will be familiar with how to play as a team.
If valve cares so much about team play, why is the out of game social system a chat system that makes IIRC look like science fiction. They have done nothing in game to promote team creation, hidden ranks/profiles even for ranked mode, a language select system that doesn't validate or do anything as far as I can tell. Some small but significant changes could be:
1. Ranking mode players MMR visible to all.
2. Reports for language abuse(that disable say English, not mute and requires some kind of challenge)
3. Restrict the MMR spread for all ranges, not just the high/very high even if it takes longer to que.
4. Possibly a teammate rating option for end of game, as a small weight shift to MMR, to much would be abusable.
5. Upgraded chat rooms with moderators. (spam block/kick etc) Have some universal free for all rooms for new people.
Just some quick ideas, there is alot more they could do, as stated above some of us are anti social at times, often i just junp in game and hit find match.
@raziel obviously you did a bad job roaming, roaming IS NOT DYING and getting nil gold/exp...thats just retarded
as for your mid, your prob did a decent job mid but as what happened to you, those u r matched with suck at roaming, supporting, etc which is why u went up!
its all about perspective and u got the noob perspective YET!. bet u r a bit over 3k or smth
I don't how they count it, because I play almost always with my friends, all of them are new to dota (somehow).
And some are just bad, can't understand how to play the game.
@ Vaeldiithia So this is how I got to elo hell? I've been losing like 1000+ games that were easier with worser teammates...
"Valve stated in a post that if you start winning/losing games you werent supposed to, based on your rating, your uncertanity will GROW, so you will get or lose MORE points. So you def wont need 92 wins if you go on a winning streak, system will put you into games you should lose,..."
So I'm much worser than guys posting here but anyway.
My MMR is ~2450 after 15 ranked games, I won only 4 of them, is my MMR took only after these 15 games or it counts also all matches before. Because if its only ranked matches you can see how low win rate you need to be "average ranked player", which for me should't be average (I can't imagine if there is someone with 1100 MMR)
So far I added 2 dudes that looked like pros in the games I played with them, and now, when they finished their 10 games, I see they are also in 3500-3600 area, just like me. Anyone else added random people to make a statistic?
Because it doesn't even make sense, like 3900=95%, and 4100=99%, 200 MMR only difference, where as between the 90% and the 95% there is a 700 MMR difference, MMR seems either extremely low, or extremely high.
It's not accurate, just used as a rough indicator and is based on normal match making rating. gotta wait a few days more for more info. It takes into account much more than just how many games you win out of 10. e-penis bragging is it's main purpose.
Yes, many ppl here are reporting MMR over 4k. Yes that is top 1% of pubs... but it still 70k players over 4.1k. Its not that rare. People who post on dotabuff are vastly over-representing the best players. There is still a huge difference in skill from 4k to 5k and 5k to 6k. But there really are over 6 million ppl far below that 4k level.
Or if you don't like that way of looking at it use the tMMR numbers instead. Only 0.3% of players were using tMMR but it gives a sample of more serious players of all skill levels.
Everyone started in Ranked with their MMR from normal MM. I doubt the variance will be that huge, though over time I would guess that people in the top 25% will creep upwards slightly.
Well I believe Valve will release the distribution soon enough though I don't know how many casual player will bother playing ranked. High skill players on the other hand, everywhere. Top live ranked match totally eclipse normal match now.
Well, finished my 10th game with a loss and dropped to 3889, I guess that is quite decent for 10 games?
i went 8-2 and got 3276.. makes no sense how it doesnt jump after 8-2 but whatever
@saboia if you still read this topic... Valve stated in a post that if you start winning/losing games you werent supposed to, based on your rating, your uncertanity will GROW, so you will get or lose MORE points. So you def wont need 92 wins if you go on a winning streak, system will put you into games you should lose, you just have to win those games, 5-6 in a row and you will be a lot higher. Thats how ppl came out of normal bracket or go from high to vh and stay there, if they supposed to. If it was just a fortunate but undeserved winstreak, they will get a lose-streak, get uncertanity again and lose more rating, getting back where they belong. As some people stated here, you can get/drop even 100 rating on one game if your uncertanity was high and the match didnt go as it should, based on team's ratings. This system would work quiet well for only solo players. For stacks, only prohibiting 4stacks and not messing solos into stacks would help...
If it works as I think it does, your first some (4-6) wins are fine, normal.. Then when you start winning more, you will get some stronger opponents, and if you win against them, your rating wont change much BUT your uncertanity will. After some more games, when its enough high, your rating will start growing rapidly. I guess it should be after 11 winstreaks or 15-1 kinda things... The numbers were just guesses. If you want to know better, check smurf accounts records and look for streaks. Also other VH players streaks can help you. Usually you get that when you leave a bracket/skill level, I think. These are all guesses, dont take them seriously... But it should work somehow like this.
I cant get the point of solo MMR, if you are still put together with stacks =/
@Vaikiss`742.11 hours ago
^ u see it works retards like u get matched with other retards so retard bracket is created for retards play in
Thanks for this! It actually motivates me to climb out of the retard elo hell
Hey Aristeia you piece of shit trench tier trash bag You are even less of a human than average russian
did that movitate your more than what vaikis wrote? D:
i can be your motivational coach bro !
:O
So they got me into a losing streak with two teams of retards just because I had 12 out of 13 matches won?
^ most likely
Well, how am I supposed to get past the 3.9k barrier then? I can't just carry the game on my own... Especially since I mostly play support.
become io bitch and find yourself an ursa
@Dranzell: You have to play next level support, thats all =D
went 4-6 and got 4255
no one responded to my post, but I think I would be best served not going solo ranked until i try to buff my stats.
I'm disappointed in particular that K/DA plays any role in ranking. All that matters is winning. I don't see why an imitator or support should be negatively rated for dying if it helps the team. The reports of winning but getting negative rating is really stupid.
I plan to play normal mode for awhile and try to win with as high a k/da as possible. Since the MMR seems based on the unranked mmr going in, It would be awful if it went poorly and ended up in a low bracket with no way out.
Where can you see how much ur rating changes / game? How many points it goes up and down etc. Does it say anywhere? I know u can check urself but i mean to check calibration etc.
My ranking is 5100 now who will be the first to get down on the knees and give my e-penis a bj?
5456 sory, shold be some ppl 6k+ soon i guess
The player pool is split now with the new modes, so its going to take longer. One would hope the length would be to create better games but it actually seems to get worse the longer it goes. I believe some people actually reque after several minutes because of this belief.
If it works like what Relentless said then how the fuck are you supposed to gain rating without stacking? The way the system teams you up with random retards nearly every game, its impossible to SINGLE-HANDEDLY ensure that your team wins by a large GPM margin.
Explains why my games where I play excellent support but lose because my team is reatrded still dont give me a ranking gain. Individual performance should be taken far more into account in losing games.
I really don't think dota 2 is supposed to be played solo. Valve seems to agree. They have never made a decision that was more than merely accommodating the possibility of solo play.
Solo play is just for fun. Stacking, preferably 5 stacking, is real dota. People should have significantly higher MMR with parties than solo. If not, then... why would you want someone on your team that causes you to do worse? Maybe they are your irl friend.
THey should just come straight out and say that then if thats what they are thinking, instead of pretending there is a solo ranking.
There is a solo ranking, its just not as important. Its nice to have the option to play solo if your friends are not on right now... or you want to practice heroes and not cause a problem for friends.
I don't know how many times I've said it (probably over 20 threads) "dota is a team game". Not only is it not balanced and set up for solo play, dota SHOULD NOT be set up for solo play. Valve is doing the right thing by encouraging teamplay over solo play. This will lead to a better experience for everyone. It will even lead to a better solo experience because more players will be familiar with how to play as a team.
clearly they are against asocial people like me
Guys, I am 4100+ MMR with this ugly winrate.
I got around 4180 :D
is it supposed to be higher or lower better? 2458 after 10 rounds.
higher is better, based on this ur somewhat above average by ranking.
5% 1100
10% 1500
25% 2000
50% 2250
75% 2731
90% 3200
95% 3900
99% 4100
ah i see thanks legend!
np, nice bloodseekr stats, but be not suprised when u get into some higher rating his dominance will drop
If valve cares so much about team play, why is the out of game social system a chat system that makes IIRC look like science fiction. They have done nothing in game to promote team creation, hidden ranks/profiles even for ranked mode, a language select system that doesn't validate or do anything as far as I can tell. Some small but significant changes could be:
1. Ranking mode players MMR visible to all.
2. Reports for language abuse(that disable say English, not mute and requires some kind of challenge)
3. Restrict the MMR spread for all ranges, not just the high/very high even if it takes longer to que.
4. Possibly a teammate rating option for end of game, as a small weight shift to MMR, to much would be abusable.
5. Upgraded chat rooms with moderators. (spam block/kick etc) Have some universal free for all rooms for new people.
Just some quick ideas, there is alot more they could do, as stated above some of us are anti social at times, often i just junp in game and hit find match.
@raziel obviously you did a bad job roaming, roaming IS NOT DYING and getting nil gold/exp...thats just retarded
as for your mid, your prob did a decent job mid but as what happened to you, those u r matched with suck at roaming, supporting, etc which is why u went up!
its all about perspective and u got the noob perspective YET!. bet u r a bit over 3k or smth
@MapzOr` you give me hope. My preliminary solo MMR is 4075 after a couple of games, I'm hoping to make it into the 4100+ group in the near future.
That was my party ranking actually,
competitive_rank: 4115
competitive_rank_uncertainty: 693
calibration_games_remaining: 8
solo_competitive_rank: 4318
solo_competitive_rank_uncertainty: 845
solo_calibration_games_remaining: 9
I don't how they count it, because I play almost always with my friends, all of them are new to dota (somehow).
And some are just bad, can't understand how to play the game.
I agree with swag xlegend here.
Mapz0r: Where do u see that?
@ Vaeldiithia So this is how I got to elo hell? I've been losing like 1000+ games that were easier with worser teammates...
"Valve stated in a post that if you start winning/losing games you werent supposed to, based on your rating, your uncertanity will GROW, so you will get or lose MORE points. So you def wont need 92 wins if you go on a winning streak, system will put you into games you should lose,..."
@Toeffelhelten
Enable the console (u must enable it)
Open the console
Type: "developer 1" (without the " )
Type: "dota_game_account_debug" (against without the " )
If u plans are to play a game, then retype:
"developer 0"
Or some shitty messages would appear at the top of the screen.
5816, But i guess there's some 6k+, even here
Out of curiosity, who has the highest MMR at the moment? The highest I've seen is H4nni with 5600.
So I'm much worser than guys posting here but anyway.
My MMR is ~2450 after 15 ranked games, I won only 4 of them, is my MMR took only after these 15 games or it counts also all matches before. Because if its only ranked matches you can see how low win rate you need to be "average ranked player", which for me should't be average (I can't imagine if there is someone with 1100 MMR)
So far I added 2 dudes that looked like pros in the games I played with them, and now, when they finished their 10 games, I see they are also in 3500-3600 area, just like me. Anyone else added random people to make a statistic?
@cartographer
Jerax has 5864
I think Liqiud`qojqva should have a really high MMR, his games are always #1 on the live matches tab.
@Poroski Wow that's high. Thanks mate.
Are valve sure about this:
5% 1100
10% 1500
25% 2000
50% 2250
75% 2731
90% 3200
95% 3900
99% 4100
Because it doesn't even make sense, like 3900=95%, and 4100=99%, 200 MMR only difference, where as between the 90% and the 95% there is a 700 MMR difference, MMR seems either extremely low, or extremely high.
Solo rating: 5037
Just won 7 games out of 10
It's not accurate, just used as a rough indicator and is based on normal match making rating. gotta wait a few days more for more info. It takes into account much more than just how many games you win out of 10. e-penis bragging is it's main purpose.
Those are percentiles. Let me translate into numbers of pub players. Maybe that will make more sense.
350k players < 1100 MMR
350k players > 1100 MMR < 1500 MMR
1,050k players > 1500 MMR < 2000 MMR
1,750k players > 2000 MMR < 2250 MMR
1,750k players > 2250 MMR < 2731 MMR
1,050k players > 2731 MMR < 3200 MMR
350k players > 3200 MMR < 4100 MMR
70k players > 4100 MMR
Yes, many ppl here are reporting MMR over 4k. Yes that is top 1% of pubs... but it still 70k players over 4.1k. Its not that rare. People who post on dotabuff are vastly over-representing the best players. There is still a huge difference in skill from 4k to 5k and 5k to 6k. But there really are over 6 million ppl far below that 4k level.
Or if you don't like that way of looking at it use the tMMR numbers instead. Only 0.3% of players were using tMMR but it gives a sample of more serious players of all skill levels.
11k players < 1980 tMMR
11k players > 1980 tMMR < 2200 tMMR
33k players > 2200 tMMR < 2560 tMMR
55k players > 2560 tMMR < 3020 tMMR
55k players > 3020 tMMR < 3495 tMMR
33k players > 3495 tMMR < 3990 tMMR
11k players > 3990 tMMR < 4270 tMMR
2.2k players > 4485 tMMR < 4865 tMMR
1.1k players >4865 tMMR < 5100 tMMR
200 players >5100 tMMR
4942 after 8-3 performance
im quite suprised with match quality after the calibration phase
first of all the
5% 1100
10% 1500
25% 2000
50% 2250
75% 2731
90% 3200
95% 3900
99% 4100
thats not for ranked, thats for normal mm.
@ A Hobbit
Everyone started in Ranked with their MMR from normal MM. I doubt the variance will be that huge, though over time I would guess that people in the top 25% will creep upwards slightly.
Well I believe Valve will release the distribution soon enough though I don't know how many casual player will bother playing ranked. High skill players on the other hand, everywhere. Top live ranked match totally eclipse normal match now.