Dual lane with Lich levels both heroes as fast as single lane. Can even dual lane mid effectively.
@Dipshit
"Dual lane with Lich levels both heroes as fast as single lane"
How ? Exp from one extra creep every two waves is only a 1/8 = 12.5% boost in exp.
and -12.5% xp for the other team resulting in a 25% difference. If lich lvls the skill more (and faster) it creates a huge difference in levels and a lvl 6 ulti lich while the enemies are lvl 5 is very powerful
"How ? Exp from one extra creep every two waves is only a 1/8 = 12.5% boost in exp. "
Let me rephrase it, it has a similar effect. The level difference of an offlaner against that dual safe lane. The two of them will have an exp advantage, while the enemy will have a disadvantage. 12.5% boost for you, 12.5% drain for them. Not to mention on the initial wave you can eat that first creep immediately and grab a creep from the very next wave as well.
HOWEVER, having said all that it is NOT 12.5%. It depends on which creep you eat. Melee creeps are worth more exp than ranged creeps. Total exp for a wave may be 227, but each melee creep is worth 62, that's a little more than 27%, cut in half 13.6%. And if you're doing this in mid, not only do you have that advantage working for you, but having 2 there to fight the 1, you can be assured that you will get EVERY rune and can quite easily harass them off the lane.
@whoji
Solo of course. You can deny the enemy exp while gaining a significant amount of exp.
It's great against defensive tri-lanes or even dual lanes, ward the pull spot and the support will suffer to get to lvl 2
lich mid used to hit 5 with ease while enemy is still 3rd. now it's even more fucked up. he really got some love last couple of patches.
You use Sacrifice before the creep wave gets close to the enemy, so you don't share the exp with your opponent. That's why it's so good.
Lol I never eat a creep when there are heroes around, even if it costs me extra 15-20 seconds of waiting so that I can use sacrifice for full efficiency , I wait for it. this process speeds up all the time. and after level 5 you can level up like crazy.
yeah and you can spam your Q like you did before, once in a wave at 1-2 of your sacrifice. twice with level 3 sacrifice and level 4 sacrifice almost gives you your whole max mana when used on a melee creep.
I think it's because good players pay attention to the notes and are playing the buffed heroes, while bad players are still picking their usually favorite carries (haven't seen a decent spirit breaker post patch). So it's not cus Lich is op, just cus he got some love and good players are taking advantage. Disruptor is the same, showing up in tons of matches and competent.
Lich was allways an op hero! the thg that as a support u can constantly spam without any mana worries makes u one of the best harassers in the game and lich is nt so item dependent too..just mekha,pb or tb and agha u r good :)
Other den lich other heroes like cm and ezalor are also good supports.
Frankly saying the new lich leeches exp even when he denies and not only that even his ally gets exp :)
But make sure u deny creep when he is nt in the vison of the enemy hero or else even he can get the same exp!
Eh, he's not that op, he's just good, but he has always been a very good hero. So why not a sky high win rate before? Because good players found him boring. I still think it's the players more than the hero.
there is a big difference between good hero and op one. you are either daft, or just arguing for arguing sake.
jumping to the top win rate and being standard fp/ban now should speak for itself.
he's op..
played him just to check it out and the heroe is a fucking monster now
would be my first pick 100% of the time
I'm just saying why is he op now vs before? he still denied xp before, even if he didn't get it himself the net result was about the same since it was a full deny. He still had endless mana to spam nuke, his armor was still amazing even if it didn't work on range. Or is the barrier between a very good hero and an op one so small that he just crossed it? I just don't get why the fuss, he was awesome pre patch too. I think his numbers will even out.
^ Spirit breaker ult cast animation nerf brought him down by ~9% . sometimes that "barrier" is narrow as fuck.
Don't forget the recent-ish patch to increase the chain frost bounces from 7 to 10. That combined with the armour on ranged PLUS him gaining the xp of the deny means yeah, that's like a triple buff to an already strong hero.
No wonder he's now beasting all over the place.
@mark Boring? IMO more like one of the most exciting Support heroes to play! Not only do you have to worry about mana but once you get Shiva's guard with Ice armor you have about 30 armor and rarely die. His frost blast? Use it every 8 seconds and make your enemies use ALL of their healing abilities. And his ult... Going on a rampage with one ability is what happens if used correctly. He can make all of his team tanky and you can set it as a toggle so even a noob can be a good support. Oh and didn't even mention what Mekansm's armor boost and refresher orb can do. *patch: You can get a 90% slow if all of his slows are deployed at once.
Glad he's back up. I hated how people were actually not picking frost blast as second skill because it did 50 damage, glad it's up to 75 at least. Or that they aren't using it to nuke. I remember back in the old days it did 225-250 damage at rank 4 and around 100-150 at rank 1?
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Noticed right now Lich ranked 1st in v6.79 winrate.
Compared to 678, I think the exp gain from the 3rd skill is only minimum after lv3 (hero level not skill level). in most cases, you share that exp with your lane partner or enemy heroes. same $$ denial and creep denial as in 6.78 but lich not considered op in 678.
Any thoughts ?