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General DiscussionWhy did he get unbanned?

Why did he get unbanned? in General Discussion
AbsolutMango

    In real life people are bought with brown envelopes filed with money, and they do as told. In virtual life they're bought with gifts filled with cosmetics, and they do as told.

    Deal with it. :)

    wind breathe

      @ Havoc Bager

      These 7 games, were a mistake! I did not abuse for my winrate, because as you said it's not a problem to play in a party with 2-3 people who I always play with, not even 5 and winning those 7 games just upped me 0.21% maximum 0.28% of my winrate, because for my win im getting 0.3% or 0.4%, it was just a mistake, for which I have a big regret, there is no point getting into details.

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      swoleytrinity

        I understand totally even I have done it for a couple games to see what the hype was about. I think given that you have had a turn around and aren't just continually finding ways to get the "easy win" I think them unbanning you was a good decision.

        Dunno why you have stopped playing as it should have easily been possible to get into the ratings again if you had kept up with the account. Again, you are quite a good player so I don't hold it against you for trying a few games as they were and not playing non-stop in abuse queue.

        wind breathe

          thx man for your opinion

          but i banned again u can see this mark :)

          yes. totally agree with this :D (sarcazzzzm) "is not eligible for inclusion top player rankings."

          ppp

            HAHAHAH such a retarded ones typin' and typin' again here. Let's face that you're just fucking jealous him.
            Fuck, I have heart attack when I read this shit you writing, nolifers.
            I JUST DON'T GET IT, PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE SO ANNOYING
            STOP WRITING HERE, BITCHES
            THIS GUY REALLY KNOW HOW TO PLAY DOTA2 AND YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE.

            ppp

              I dont get these DB admins either, they unbanned him and banned after 2 days. What the fuck?
              They are fat n angry kids or what? I guess they jealous him too, cause he plays REALLY PERFECT.
              If I only could I would ban these stupid kids who talking shit, not him.

              Russian FEEDERation

                I found Olee44 new account.
                http://dotabuff.com/players/146122532

                Why is he trying so hard lol, all those games in Least Played. Pure skills.

                @above
                I think you are this cheater with an alternative account, stay mad because your opinion is irrelevant cheater.

                @Havoc
                You've used sandboxie to give yourself free wins like he did? So sad.

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                Chris.

                  Lol, thats not olee44 :D thats fadi :p

                  team fuck sucks

                    Meh, doesn't matter. Top 50 has been upped to 500 games. If he wants to play this game like a chore instead of actually having fun to get some e-peen, let him.

                    Vroksnak

                      HAHha ole444? :DDDD
                      THats fadiflashi, worst player ever. I carry him 100%
                      this is his real account http://dotabuff.com/players/94199655

                      swoleytrinity

                        @Russian FEEDERation
                        Actually no I wouldn't go that far but I admit to playing in Limited Hero Pool for about 5 games because I was playing support for a group that do. This is not really an abuse but more of an exploit and there are mixed feelings about the stat inflation queues as some feel its a valid part of the game while other feel it is exploiting the genuine low-skill players that play that play those modes because they are new or trying to get it easier in game. That account you posted isn't OLE it is Fadi who is a really good support hero and has genuine reasons for a new account after 3000+ games.

                        @runfastmaybefaster
                        I honestly think you need to sit down and give some thought to what you say before you just spew your crap all over the forum. The ban is a shame but they do it with good reason and this is a third party, free service that you are more than welcome to not use. If you are going to use it then show a little respect and courtesy for the staff here.

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                        Terrible

                          No one gives a shit about him making a new account, its about playing a large number of Least Played/Limited Hero Pool matches to inflate stats. Go on, tell me there is a genuine reason for players like that to play such a mode.

                          swoleytrinity

                            Is there a genuine reason that people play in AP only, or SD, or any of the other modes? All modes are genuine and open to all accounts, while some might be easier than other to achieve wins on by stacking this doesn't mean that they are any less part of the game then other modes.. Its an issue of conscience as you go into that mode knowing that you are misusing but not really abusing the system.

                            I personally think its a little low to play in LHP or LP but the stat inflation comes from those modes being aimed at beginners so a lot of them go there.

                            Lets just all pause and think about it for a minute. Least played heroes are all in AP, Limited Pool Heroes are all in AP as well so the only difference is the skill ratio swing with new accounts being paired off with Very High Bracket smurf accounts. Given that I think smurfing in those modes is frowned upon and even a ban offense, this to some extent I agree with but lets take solo queuing or non-smurf accounts playing those modes. They will be stacked with people of the same skill making it much like a normal AP game.

                            1. All modes are valid and playable its how you play those modes that sets it apart from gaming to exploiting.
                            2. Non-smurf games are valid. Smurf stacking in those modes is a ban offense and frowned on.
                            3. Sandbox or bot abuse is a insta-ban offense.

                            I am not taking sides as there is no side to be taken I think people, both the angry grindstone players and the odd-mode queuers need to understand the reasons behind why, why-not, and how these modes are played and the player conduct or conditions in these modes.

                            1. Angry grindstone players need to accept that this shit will happen all the time but doesn't demean a individuals skill but just calls him out for stat whoring. There is also nothing you can do so getting uptight about it just angers the blood more (I have had to go through this in the sandbox-abuse phase)

                            2. Odd-mode stacks should be aware that these modes are made easier for a reason. New players. Don't go and ruin their games cause you want the 2% more on your account.

                            3. Stack/Smurfs in odd-mode or abuse. Just stop doing this and go back to your mains and play the game properly.

                            Hassan

                              Least played is actually a fun mode. Too bad enough people don't play it.

                              swoleytrinity

                                Least played mode is actually a great mode because it takes you out of your comfort zone of playing the same heroes all the time. The reason why it might be a little easier is that newer players play it to get the grasp of heroes and if a exp. player plays in it, it is likely he will be able to pick up any hero and be effective with it.

                                I agree if more people played least played then it wouldn't be so bad. Limited hero pool is kind of a no go but least played is 100% valid and should not be considered a abuse or exploit.

                                Liyona

                                  THats fadiflashi, worst player ever. I carry him 100%
                                  THats fadiflashi, worst player ever. I carry him 100%
                                  THats fadiflashi, worst player ever. I carry him 100%

                                  http://dotabuff.com/players/94199655/matches?hero=invoker&game_mode=&match_type=real
                                  http://dotabuff.com/matches/356343715
                                  http://dotabuff.com/matches/356047656
                                  http://dotabuff.com/matches/351510691

                                  Russian FEEDERation

                                    Havoc, what genuine reason? http://dotabuff.com/players/146122532/matches?hero=&game_mode=&match_type=unreal
                                    Least played + many abandoned games, I assume he abandoned when he and Ursa failed to kill Rosh.

                                    He's just trying to reach the top rankings in a very unfair way and therefore he doesn't deserve it.

                                    Liyona

                                      I agree that I wanted to reach the top50 like a long time ago.. but I don't do that anymore after knowing that Dotabuff actually bans abusers, I did it for the first 10 games or so.. but now I play normal games only with 5 stack to secure wins. (Sometimes I even solo queue)

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                                      Russian FEEDERation

                                        now you're lying because you have games played in Least Played only, you're just another Olee44 clone.

                                        Hassan

                                          Why do you care so much Russian Federation?

                                          Russian FEEDERation

                                            I'm the hero Dota 2 deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So you'll hunt me. Because I can take it. Because I'm not our hero. I'm a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dotard.

                                            I'm going to use this thread to post users playing certain game modes meant for new players and/or actual cheaters like Aesthetic Gamer.

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                                            swoleytrinity

                                              You are the pleb Dota2 can do with out, we don't need your kind right now. I'll ignore your childish, illogical and close-ended topics. You are no ones hero and you are not silent at all but repeatedly vocalize your disgruntled mindsets at members of the community and staff. With privacy settings as you have them looks like the only thing you protect is your ego.

                                              Sincerely,
                                              An actual committed, supportive, and dedicated Dota2 Player.

                                              P.S. You spelled *retard wrong.

                                              Russian FEEDERation

                                                Having a private profile means I'm protecting my ego? If all you can do is resort to Ad Hominem insults then I'm worried about how miserable it must have been for your parents to deal with you as a kid (maybe you are still a kid).

                                                I'm taking my free time to hunt down people who doesn't deserve a spot in the top rankings and if you don't like it, then you're a cheater just like them because clearly you just admitted you've been doing the same thing which is probably why you've been reported multiple times because I can't report you at the moment.

                                                Maybe you should go back to playing these modes for new players so your winrate doesn't look so miserable considering you have thousands of matches played.

                                                Cheers, please stop ruining my thread if you don't have anything positive or factual to the discussion.

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                                                Liyona

                                                  Can you be more specific about my lies?
                                                  Normal games = Not full tryhard with level 1 roshan and stuff.. just pick whatever and win... What mode I play doesn't really matter, and I don't think it should be anyone's business what mode I enjoy to play.

                                                  And yes I do solo queue sometimes, here are some games to make you happy:
                                                  http://dotabuff.com/matches/355142947
                                                  http://dotabuff.com/matches/355224031
                                                  http://dotabuff.com/matches/355290625
                                                  http://dotabuff.com/matches/355309742
                                                  http://dotabuff.com/matches/355342273

                                                  If you are going to write another hate comment on me, I will just ignore you... I don't see any good reason to fight over the internet with a random hater.

                                                  Russian FEEDERation

                                                    Congratulations, you played AP 5 times while you have pages of Least Played and Limited Hero Pool remaining.
                                                    Do you want a cookie for this remarkable task? You don't deserve to be in the rankings.

                                                    You can still play these modes meant for NEW players if you want to do so, but you won't appear on the rankings.

                                                    Who said anything about fighting or writing hate comments when you're the one doing it buddy?
                                                    Also forgot to mention, anyone who participates in your 5 man crusade against new players in these beginner modes should also receive a permanent ban, some of them have many and MANY abandons.

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                                                    swoleytrinity

                                                      1. You can't report me because I have done nothing wrong and false reports can and will result in a ban for yourself.
                                                      2. I don't queue odd modes and I feel no need to explain the many reasons why my win rate is the way it is to a lower skill bracket player who is obviously annoyed that he can't get any better so has chosen to hide his profile from the community from either fear of criticism or from something else.
                                                      3. I don't resort to insults and am quite helpful where I can be but clearly there is no reasoning in you and the simplistic nature of people like you does not allow for the constructive discussion of either argument. e.g. you don't belong on a forum.
                                                      4. I have presented a number of facts on the subject but you refusal to read any of them is your loss and will continue your downhill slope into constant ignorance.

                                                      Fact: There is no where that is mentions the least played is for new players http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Game_modes. Your argument against least played is as void as getting mad with someone for playing only Single Draft and claiming that they are exploiting due to using a mode other than All Pick.

                                                      Fact: There are 18 abandons but that does not mean that all of them were from his team. Considering that the experience on the team and the time of the abandon tells me that they managed to early roshan which resulted in a leave from the other team not from the team Fadi was playing with. So again, void argument.

                                                      Fact: You claim he has played AP 5 times and that Fadi crusades against beginners. This argument is void as well as you have not brought any factual data to the table whereas I have. Below is an accurate data spread and not based on childish anger and accusations.

                                                      All Pick - 32 Games
                                                      Least Played - 27
                                                      Limited Hero Pool - 8

                                                      To date on that account Fadi has "crusaded" vs new players only 8 times and I have checked all 8 games where I could and there are players vs them that have well into the thousands in the games so again, you didn't check your data so have nothing factual to offer. One of the LHP games http://dotabuff.com/matches/310086489 do those look like new players to you? Is this crusade you're on now seem a little stupid.

                                                      Your arguments are done, you have nothing factual and have just spewed crap since start post. I understand the frustration when you have feeling of inadequacies so you do what you can and hide your stats and I know it is just killing you that actual good players have found a way to inflate stats even more making your hidden stats now appear weaker. This is not the way to go about it and there is nothing you can do but live with it.

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                                                      Woof Woof

                                                        keep up good job Russian FEEDERation sadly theres no way to +rep people like you :(

                                                        Russian FEEDERation

                                                          Oh my god you are one deluded little kid, you actually believe the other team would abandon when they SPOT and KILL them during Rosh at level 1? I guess you were part of his exploiting stack abuser with one of those smurfs.

                                                          AP games don't count when he does the Ursa+Wisp strat, you already know how this strat works so don't fucking deny it you piece of shit.

                                                          There is no point in arguing with a deluded little kid like yourself, all you've done so far is resorting to Ad Hominems to defend cheaters when I've presented facts and explained how their little strategy works. If they are so damn good, they wouldn't play Least Played and LPH just to destroy low skilled noobs to appear in the top rankings. You can find other players who participated in their "Ursa + Wisp" strategy in their new strategy to abuse beginner modes.

                                                          I haven't hidden any stats and the reason why my profile is private is none of your concerns but please, do keep resorting to insults like the child you are. No wonder there is no report button on your profile, you've been reported so many times by several users already.

                                                          Bitch please let it be a daily reminder you are awful at this game and with over 3k matches, you can't even hold a decent winrate.

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                                                          Terrible

                                                            havoc badger are you fucked in the head? why on earth are you protecting these douchebags? 1 second you are agreeing with everything russian feederlad is saying, the next you start saying that you aren't taking sides. Stop sitting on the fence for no fucking reason, its clear what your real thoughts are, stop protecting these lying dickwads, this kid is exactly the same as that virgin FPZ scrub.

                                                            herp derp i didnt know my friend just said blah blah blah. so thats why he did it another 9 times right?

                                                            With this guy over here, he clearly acknowledges that he was trying to get top 50 - fine, but why has he stopped? Not because its a cheap method to inflate stats, but because dotabuff ban such players. It is abuse, not an exploit, but an abuse to inflate stats.

                                                            edit: d'awww, maybe we should go easy on him, poor kid is still stuck in the high bracket after 3400 matches :( :(

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                                                            swoleytrinity

                                                              I acknowledge it is a cheap way of inflating stats but I am bringing to light that a lot of this is geared towards uneducated guesses instead of factual evidence.

                                                              1. Least played is not an abuse or an exploit but a mode that can be played by all.
                                                              2. I have been in Very High for quite some time now but remained previously in High for awhile due to putting friends over stats.

                                                              Abuse is the improper usage or treatment of an entity, often to unfairly or improperly gain benefit. This applies to Limited Hero Pool, Sandbox, but not to Least Played.

                                                              Its actually a benefit to be able to clearly see both sides without having the issue of being emotionally involved in the situation. I want people to stop using Limited Hero Pool to inflate win rate. I want people to stop creating smurf accounts and trying different ways to exploit or abuse the system. I want people to understand the least played is not a new player only mode but was created so that people could try out heroes they were unfamiliar with in the knowledge that everyone was in the same boat. I have stated a lot more times than either of you two can how much I disapprove of the smurfs, and the exploits but in some instances even I had to step back and understand that maybe I wasn't 100% right in my argument. You're actively looking for high win rate accounts with low games looking for someone to report or cause trouble for. OLE444 was caught out as other were by the administrators of this site and we are going to have to trust their judgement on issues such as this without becoming pinning children.

                                                              TL;DR I agree some should be banned for exploiting new players in Limited Hero Pool but don't let a witch hunt cloud your thinking and take some time to actually look into it. Maybe someone did one Limited Hero Pool where he got +128 kills that doesn't mean that said user does it all the time or ever again.

                                                              @terrible
                                                              Again no factual evidence just unsubstantiated claims about what bracket I sit in http://pubstats.me/90503334

                                                              ppp

                                                                i think that admins should let him stay at top, cause the limit is increased til 500 games, he can easily play fair and there is no reason to ban him this time