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General Discussioni fucking suck at sf

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Ming (Zufälliger König)

    so im going all out sf frenzy to master the hero
    kthxbai

    Papa Het

      that is so interesting. Tell us more!

      Ming (Zufälliger König)

        i have told you all there is to know!

        slahser

          if u wanna master sf go play dota 1

          AbroMaN124

            Dont level up skill 1, dont die and get shadow blade. thxbai.

            cartographer

              Owning with SF requires good support. He needs the levels and farm that the mid lane provides, but he's squishy as fuck with no innate escape mechanism. One minute of bad warding is all it takes for you to lose ground.

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                stay back. wait for enemy to get low life. press E to last hit hero. rinse and repeat. I've really met people who play like this. and the surprising thing is they actually snowball hard enuf later on to go unkillable..

                Vaikiss`742.

                  right click hard

                  马保国

                    noob shit stop playing dota 2 pinoy

                    cartographer

                      ^ You're probably muted because you're a scrub.

                      Noir

                        just go to safelane

                        TikTok Uncle

                          play against bots on insane and out cs and kill them with sf

                          Ming (Zufälliger König)

                            game plan for last few games :

                            1 : farm like shit
                            2 : farm some more
                            3 : sb , deso , manta
                            4 : right click to victory!

                            so far, 2 loss and 6 wins

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                            BenaoLifedancer

                              hmmm watch 1 of my sf game
                              any of them
                              will help you ;D

                              dont go deso on sf, manta only with a good team on your side and to juke, else stop at yasha!

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                              I come from the dark

                                KDA 2.7

                                nothing to watch

                                vapour trail

                                  The key to winning as SF is knowing the right items to build on him (i.e. sb, dagger, bkb, or yasha first). You can be really good with razes but you'll still suck at the hero because you build the same items every game and then wonder how you lost. Just something to think about

                                  Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                    ^
                                    i love to right click

                                    vapour trail

                                      Go on a drow spree next then :D

                                      Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                        fuck drow i hate drow
                                        weak as fuck

                                        Vix

                                          blink is never a good build on sf because u almost always need a bkb and even then u will need a 3rd item to do any damage since its already 20+min after u get bkb and blink. throw in the fact that if u are a farming mid that farm farm farm for 20+min in the current meta game (assuming u dont get ganked non-stop), it will be extremely hard for your teammates especially in pub.

                                          shadow blade solves both escape/ult set up for sf and adds damage as well.

                                          Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                            ^
                                            blink is for people whos very ult dependent

                                            honestly sf's ult is the strongest nuke ever
                                            if u explode directly on someone (phased on top of him) u deal 160 per line , and shadow fiend releases 18 lines at max souls.

                                            thats a fucking 2880 damage on his face

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                                            Vaikiss`742.

                                              blink is complete shit

                                              its not longer 2008

                                              BenaoLifedancer

                                                blink works if you need pushing power and nuking at tower range! in other words finishing a game in the next couple of minutes with some of your teammates while your main carry is getting full with items and ready to take down the throne. else even if it is a 5 min dagger it wont help much due to tp help when going 1v1/1v2/chase!

                                                and if u think my sf is bad then i pity you
                                                if i make the same items over and over? rly? are u stupid?
                                                and deso is still bad!
                                                as i once said to a guy, you only need attack speed and damage to rape with sf, nothing else! the hard part and reason im so good with sf is that i know how to move and position myself to do that!
                                                remember if u just go bkb and shit people will only run from you and shit and engage once the bkb is over and by that time your att speed sucks and probably your mov spped and dps!

                                                just watch and learn you stupid fucking cunt!

                                                Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                                  u 2 go 1v1 mid sf

                                                  Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                                    i wanna spectate

                                                    I come from the dark

                                                      If you think that blink dagger is useful in any situation then you know nothing about playing shadow fiend.

                                                      Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                                        chck his last game, 5 carry team ftw hahaha

                                                        I come from the dark

                                                          No, check out all of his games with SF. He feeds hard every 4-5 games

                                                          http://dotabuff.com/players/78410961/matches?hero=shadow-fiend&game_mode=&match_type=real

                                                          Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                                            what abt my sf, for starters it aint bad eh
                                                            honestly ive only played sf for like 5 or 6 times in dota 1 lol

                                                            I come from the dark

                                                              I've been playing shadow fiend since forever.

                                                              The key to winning is getting shadow blade as quickly as possible. Aim for 14-16 minute mark if you haven't got many kills. (that is pt and bottle as well) 20 minute at the latest if you died a few times. The earlier you buy it - the easier it is to snowball.

                                                              Forget desolator it is useless. I always go for yasha after shadow blade, movement speed and attack speed is key. Then if i see that the victory is imminent then i go straight for daedalus + dominator. If not then finish off manta and then daedalus/dominator. I rarely get mkb even if they do have heroes with evasion because crits are KEY to dealing high damage because of SF's -armor aura.

                                                              Also shadow fiend is great at farming. No matter how many kills you have you must have 100 creeps by 20th minute. Kills are not everything. Remember this 6 creeps = 1 kill in terms of gold.

                                                              Regarding bkb - if you want good KDA, get it. You will die less. But it doesn't affect anything else, if you position yourself properly you don't need it.

                                                              faded

                                                                if you play on AUS you can add me for SF 1v1 practice if u want :)

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                                                                Sayzee

                                                                  I go tanky right click SF, I am bad at razes
                                                                  I abandoned the hero since dota 1

                                                                  BenaoLifedancer

                                                                    about my feed... you should read the cahat and still look at my cs
                                                                    i pwned mid wituput chick and more than 10 continous minutes (withut reg) while the enemy ganked me and kept healing himself!
                                                                    still got more level/creep/all!

                                                                    people sometimes just dont deserve to win... best to feed in those cases

                                                                    Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                                                      @cali
                                                                      can you play on sea?

                                                                      BenaoLifedancer

                                                                        hey @Ming, mind telling me if you are playing high or normal games??

                                                                        Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                                                          does it matter

                                                                          BenaoLifedancer

                                                                            it does... 1 blademail vs deso and u r fucked, doesnt even need to be a tanky hero, a support and its enough to gg you

                                                                            Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                                                              blademail lasts like.. 3s?
                                                                              i just walk around till it finishes or hit other dudes lol.
                                                                              wat kind of dumbshit would hit someone with blademail on

                                                                              I come from the dark

                                                                                The key to winning late game with sf is getting high damage items. Desolator and assault are rubbish for SF. Daedalus and butterfly is what you need.

                                                                                I rarely see blademail in games now, it is not very popular but it is not really a problem lol, just don't hit the person who has it on.. not difficult to wait 2-3 sec

                                                                                Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                                                                  see my last game
                                                                                  notice the divine? thats mine LOL

                                                                                  Vroksnak

                                                                                    wanna learn sf?

                                                                                    pt-lothar-mom-crit-bkb(if needed)-mkb/butter

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                                                                                    Can't wait to be king

                                                                                      that feeling as a mid lion against sf and he gets 40 denies

                                                                                      Dent

                                                                                        why the hate on blink sf? It's viable, just play it correctly.
                                                                                        That being said, blink is a totally different ballgame from shadow blade.

                                                                                        And dont hate on my KDA pls, i love to feed

                                                                                        Noir

                                                                                          SF is a horrible mid hero, get a good support like tide or venge who can reduce armor so you hit like a phucen truck in lane, after 12 souls you should rek' em in lane. I like going the ms build (Phase, drums) them into BoTs manta dominator and sometimes shadowblade.

                                                                                          I come from the dark

                                                                                            and that is why you are a 49% scrub

                                                                                            Sayzee

                                                                                              I go 6 branch all the way

                                                                                              Noir

                                                                                                got that right 49% all the way

                                                                                                Ming (Zufälliger König)

                                                                                                  F> sf practice partner

                                                                                                  Vix

                                                                                                    @markel

                                                                                                    so u would go phase, drums, then sell ur phase for BoTs? so after about 5k spent, u are still hitting only ~110 (basic damage assuming u have 36 souls)

                                                                                                    i dont get it

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                                                                                                    Noir

                                                                                                      thats the thing i dont sell phase so its pretty close to max move speed when i get yasha, i only sell them once i get a crystalis, dat explains my low ass winrate H@H@HH@H@