Slark should be able to kill tinker late game without much of an issue with abyssal. maybe the problem was your carry wasnt getting the jump on him? slark perhaps should have bought a blink to get the stun off immediately. any second hero guarantees the kill. if you lost to it its simply because you got outplayed. the hero is not op at all right now. Tinker is a carry. he's extremely weak early game before he has the mana to be so mobile. he scales into the late game but can be countered by ganks in the early game or simply coordinated lockdown in the late game. much like any other carry.
sigh...how can one ever get the jump on tinker and if they did get a blink dagger how will they ever be able to kill a tinker that is even a bit tanky, please explain. Tinker has a team too you know, any decent support will die trying to defend his tinker. I never said tinker shouldnt be a carry, i said hard carries shouldnt be weaker than him with farm. And that is what i dont get why should any hard carry need a 'second hero' to kill a non hard carry hero while the non hard carry hero(tinker) can easily kill them by himself if he gets the jump.
"Tinker has a team too you know, any decent support will die trying to defend his tinker."
And the Bs and Slark you mentioned didnt have supports with Linkens/Lotus orb or even Eul/Glimmer? Then thats your team's fault and not Tinker being "OP".
You are talking about these heroes in isolated situations. Sure, a tinker has an advantage 1v1 but if he blink hexes then there should be somebody else to back them up. Tinker is strong 1v1. It takes him a lot of time to kill someone, time that someone else could go and kill him. Tinker is balanced.
Also storm needs to be really careful with his mana when he's laning mid, you can only use q 4-5 times without a bottle and if storm gets too low on mana tinker can use that to his advantage and either kill/harass him out of lane.
yes he is a hard counter to tinker once he gets his items due to tinker not being able to hex him, but that is the problem, only int heroes can counter int heroes in the late game which is the supposed to be the time of agi heroes.
ROFL, nerfing Tinker right after him becoming somehow decent and viabale 4Head If your six slotted hc gets shitted on by Tinker late game , he just got outplayed hard. Get triggered or die tryin son
Tinker = macros and scripts. Same as invoker, I doubt people play fair with it, 2 many skills, daggers, item used in a half of sec after teleporting. This point should be taken for discussion, not the hero.
i never said int heroes couldnt be carries or str heroes for that matter, all i'm saying is agi heroes since they are more farm dependant should be stronger than int heroes if both were given equal farm instead of invoker being able to beat sf, gyro in right clicks and tinker just perma hexing and killing your carry.
wow, this topic is still going, you are right dude valve should ignore the normal skill mind and put in charge ur high skill bracket genius (BUT IM PLAYING FROM DUBAI THATS LIKE 10K IN EU PLS GUYS IM RLY GOOD AT THIS GAME)
why do u keep posting, the entire dota community is telling you that you are wrong but u are still like: you guys suck I play dota since 2014 and im a lot better than you all
@Mashiro indeed lol, op dont want other ppl opinion that oppose his idea. dont want ppl that like playing invoker or tinker opinion too, and dont want normal skill ppl opinion lol. what a shithead.
i think he just salty cuz got outplayed by decent tinker.
i play solo but ok, anyways, you guys are dumbfucks i already admitted 4 hours ago that i was wrong, tinker is not OP he needs buffs. A 320 damage targeted pure damage nuke that also blinds you for 4.5s plus a 350 magic damage nuke with a huge aoe is the very defintion of balanced hero, but alchemist seriously needs nerf. Please icefrog
a guy literally spammed tinker and invoker to get 5k mmr from 1.5k and that hero isnt OP, such amazing brains you got. Where's your proof that he's not OP?
Dont think slark (if you count him as late game) can get killed by tinker so easy as you say. depends on the scenario but i think slark is a very strong pick against him.
@arin indeed
Slark should be able to kill tinker late game without much of an issue with abyssal. maybe the problem was your carry wasnt getting the jump on him? slark perhaps should have bought a blink to get the stun off immediately. any second hero guarantees the kill. if you lost to it its simply because you got outplayed. the hero is not op at all right now. Tinker is a carry. he's extremely weak early game before he has the mana to be so mobile. he scales into the late game but can be countered by ganks in the early game or simply coordinated lockdown in the late game. much like any other carry.
this topic gives me cancer
sigh...how can one ever get the jump on tinker and if they did get a blink dagger how will they ever be able to kill a tinker that is even a bit tanky, please explain. Tinker has a team too you know, any decent support will die trying to defend his tinker. I never said tinker shouldnt be a carry, i said hard carries shouldnt be weaker than him with farm. And that is what i dont get why should any hard carry need a 'second hero' to kill a non hard carry hero while the non hard carry hero(tinker) can easily kill them by himself if he gets the jump.
but you also have a team
it's normal for them to be totally fucked at early game, eventually even in mid game, but it's not normal to be fucked super hard in lategame aswell)
This but stong/imba instead of "fucked"
Is Windranger, still waitiing for that latch revert
who's strong/imba at early and mid game? the agi carries?
"Tinker has a team too you know, any decent support will die trying to defend his tinker."
And the Bs and Slark you mentioned didnt have supports with Linkens/Lotus orb or even Eul/Glimmer? Then thats your team's fault and not Tinker being "OP".
3k's theorycrafting. 4Head
You are talking about these heroes in isolated situations. Sure, a tinker has an advantage 1v1 but if he blink hexes then there should be somebody else to back them up. Tinker is strong 1v1. It takes him a lot of time to kill someone, time that someone else could go and kill him. Tinker is balanced.
He isnt OP but hes decent.
Tinker just outplayed ur dumb carries...accept the fact LOL
thanks kitrak, i'm saving this
Pick spectre/spirit breaker - shit on tinker.
Quop mid is nice againt him.
PICK SNIPAR! sharpnel to trees and ez kill tinker
Lol sniper
i dont know what kind of passive tinkers you're playing against that dont kill sniper
Also storm needs to be really careful with his mana when he's laning mid, you can only use q 4-5 times without a bottle and if storm gets too low on mana tinker can use that to his advantage and either kill/harass him out of lane.
yes he is a hard counter to tinker once he gets his items due to tinker not being able to hex him, but that is the problem, only int heroes can counter int heroes in the late game which is the supposed to be the time of agi heroes.
I hate playing with a Tinker, especially as the pos1 carry
https://giant.gfycat.com/TightImmaculateEnglishsetter.webm
the comments you write let it seem like tinker fucked your gf or some shit
ok i hope this shit gets nerfed as soon as possible because it's annoying as hell
buy lens agh, mash buttons wow teamfight won and tower defended
just pick storm spirit and black hole every one
but if u want answer just buy orchid on every fkin hero even hard carrys. tinker cant do shit against bkb and orchid/hex/both.
Would putting 3 stars on carry for invoker and tinker shut the OP up?
In the right scenario any hero can solo any hero
Is it fair that nyx can solo tinker at all stages of the game?
ROFL, nerfing Tinker right after him becoming somehow decent and viabale 4Head If your six slotted hc gets shitted on by Tinker late game , he just got outplayed hard. Get triggered or die tryin son
Nyx is an agi hero BTW
Agi heroes don't have to be carries same way int heroes can be carries
This GG Allin guy just got carried by a tinker last game xD
for orchid, tinker can buy euls, he already buys blink, he will just blink out as soon as he comes down.
I've had enough of int carries being too strong in the late game for 3 patches.
I dont even know why i'm still wasting my time with people who still think alchemist/sniper are OP lol
Tinker = macros and scripts. Same as invoker, I doubt people play fair with it, 2 many skills, daggers, item used in a half of sec after teleporting. This point should be taken for discussion, not the hero.
ok guys, you're right, tinker is not OP, the most OP hero in the game is anti mage.
Op mind,
Agi : HARD FUCKING CARRY
Int : HARD FUCKING SUPPS
Str : OFFLANER/JUNGLER
Hook and Roll mind:
Normal Skill
i never said int heroes couldnt be carries or str heroes for that matter, all i'm saying is agi heroes since they are more farm dependant should be stronger than int heroes if both were given equal farm instead of invoker being able to beat sf, gyro in right clicks and tinker just perma hexing and killing your carry.
y just mad bro, u can counter tinker with a lot of items and heroes
u ask : DOES TINKER NEED A NERF !
then : ppl giving his own opinion
u : fck its not like that noob, fck EU is shit, fck normal skill
what a retard.
wow, this topic is still going, you are right dude valve should ignore the normal skill mind and put in charge ur high skill bracket genius (BUT IM PLAYING FROM DUBAI THATS LIKE 10K IN EU PLS GUYS IM RLY GOOD AT THIS GAME)
why do u keep posting, the entire dota community is telling you that you are wrong but u are still like: you guys suck I play dota since 2014 and im a lot better than you all
what a retard indeed
@Mashiro indeed lol, op dont want other ppl opinion that oppose his idea. dont want ppl that like playing invoker or tinker opinion too, and dont want normal skill ppl opinion lol. what a shithead.
i think he just salty cuz got outplayed by decent tinker.
@OP i see your normal skill games as well, just because you play with a party doesnt mean you are good like the rest
i play solo but ok, anyways, you guys are dumbfucks i already admitted 4 hours ago that i was wrong, tinker is not OP he needs buffs. A 320 damage targeted pure damage nuke that also blinds you for 4.5s plus a 350 magic damage nuke with a huge aoe is the very defintion of balanced hero, but alchemist seriously needs nerf. Please icefrog
a guy literally spammed tinker and invoker to get 5k mmr from 1.5k and that hero isnt OP, such amazing brains you got. Where's your proof that he's not OP?
and yes its true that eu players suck balls compared to dubai players, if you dont believe go and see for yourselves.
lol if that is true why no dubai pro player? instead we got these team liquid, OG, team secret etc thats from eu?
Dont think slark (if you count him as late game) can get killed by tinker so easy as you say. depends on the scenario but i think slark is a very strong pick against him.
you do know that miracle and w33 are arabs right?
Stop being salty dude
How are agi heroes more farm dependent than a tinker