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Relentless

    It was prophesied that people would in fact reject the Messiah when he came. And not just reject him in their minds, but actually kill him. And they did. But God raised him to life, and it was only after he raised him to life that even his close followers really began to understand that Jesus was there not merely to free them from the tyranny of the governments of men, but from the tyranny of the corrupt flesh we have all inherited from our father.

    Isaiah 53

    Who has believed what he has heard from us?
    And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
    For he grew up before him like a young plant,
    and like a root out of dry ground;
    he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
    and no beauty that we should desire him.

    He was despised and rejected by men;
    a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief;
    and as one from whom men hide their faces
    he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

    Surely he has borne our griefs
    and carried our sorrows;
    yet we esteemed him stricken,
    smitten by God, and afflicted.
    But he was pierced for our transgressions;
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
    upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
    and with his wounds we are healed.

    All we like sheep have gone astray;
    we have turned—every one—to his own way;
    and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.

    He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
    yet he opened not his mouth;
    like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
    and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
    so he opened not his mouth.
    By oppression and judgment he was taken away;
    and as for his generation, who considered
    that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
    stricken for the transgression of my people?
    And they made his grave with the wicked
    and with a rich man in his death,
    although he had done no violence,
    and there was no deceit in his mouth.

    Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him;
    he has put him to grief;
    when his soul makes an offering for guilt,
    he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
    the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
    Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
    by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
    make many to be accounted righteous,
    and he shall bear their iniquities.
    Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,
    and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,
    because he poured out his soul to death
    and was numbered with the transgressors;
    yet he bore the sin of many,
    and makes intercession for the transgressors.

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      Mind Games

        What the actual fuck I come here to escape the injustices of the lowbrow society where I beloing and I see this OMG goodbye fuckers I'm off

        DC.MASON

          if this relentless isn't trolling then idk

          outerspaceboys

            lmao this -0- ah u already post it avalanche dude Xd

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            ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

              it's ok kitrak if you never went to college

              ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                linking any for fun dota clip is pointless. remember wodota? yes the wodota that was long dead but started and thrived around 2010, the same period I played and enjoyed dota the most and indeed the actual peak of dota itself, including dota 2. the actual days where people, and I mean most dota players enjoy watching, not their own fucking replays or some stupid ass stream clownshow or some arbitrary big shot tournament, but their own fucking in houses, their own fucking classmates' games, and playing not for whoring mmr or prize dough, but because the game allows a lot of virtuoso freedom, that day and age is long gone. yes the same wodota that made perfect is shit video, featuring the yaphets guy who just retired, yes the same guy that reached 7k after caliberating at 5k in dota 2 and the same guy whos team fantuan didn't qualify for fall majors and abandons it and fake medical records and quit pro dota to be with his daddy(mom already dead)

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                outerspaceboys

                  wtf relentless? i saw ur post on page 2 an I disagree with u as a muslim.

                  "Muslims believe in an entirely different God and an entirely different Jesus. They believe that Jesus is just a prophet, and would kill you, me or anyone for claiming Jesus is God if they could. ISIS is doing just that all the time. Watch the news. This is the reason they are trying to kill all the Christians, because it is what the Koran commands them to do to people who claim Jesus is God. They believe not in a loving self-sacrificing God, but a wrathful God who will probably destroy almost everyone, and possibly everyone forever in hell no matter what they do or believe. Even Mohammed himself said he was uncertain whether he would go to heaven or hell. Muslims think that almost everyone goes to hell, even all or nearly all the Muslims... but just maybe a few who perfectly follow all of Mohammed's commands will save themselves. That is why they are so full of hate. They believe everyone is doomed. "
                  IDgaf if someone troll the games using techies shouting "JIHAD LALALAA" this is fucking internet.
                  but i dont know what version of quran ur reading relentless maybe internet version of quran? Truth is in our belief, all muslims will go to heaven BUT most of us, we will go to hell first, to cleanse our sins. And Prophets are guaranteed to go to heaven. And with killing christians lmao... I suggest you look up and read the quran it self. also ISIS is not islam lmao, they worship one of prophet's best friend.

                  Holy shit u acted like the god of dota, and now claim to know mine religions? and why do we have this kind of discussion anyway lmao? isnt this gaming fforum? /thread pls mod.

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                  Riguma Borusu

                    And I disagree with everyone who's religious because your religion is full of shit.

                    Aimstrong

                      Allahu akbar

                      ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                        no this is my thread about game fairness not religion, I can ignore the thread jacks and you are participating in thread jacks and shouting to close thread, please show yourself out first. fyi if it isn't so obvious it was started by forum hotshot triplesteal

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                        Mandalorian

                          Ok is it something wrong with me or this topic IS DOGFUCKINSHIT. I havent read so much bullshit in a long long time, what does religion have to do with a simply fuckin video game you retards? Wininng is winning, if you're not using something cause you think it's cheap, someone else will and you will lose. It's about mentality, and if you have winner mentality you will use everything in order to win.

                          And no, there's no cheap move in a video game, it's only move that works and that which doesnt.

                          4Skin

                            Do you believe all this, Relentless? I always pictured you as an atheist

                            TripleSteal-

                              @relentless
                              as always, you sound very unreliable and subjective, meh

                              the knowleedge you have doesnt make you any wise, but the way you use it does. thats why ur posts usually make you look dumb despite providing deep insights into all the topics.

                              you can try to be a bit less self-confident times to times, it helps a lot.

                              TripleSteal-

                                also sometimes when u posted smthng related to what i actually studied/researched, i found that u r usually making statements that are just false, or contradict the current scientific pov.

                                i mean, a lot of ppl do it as well, but they do not present it as if it was the only right way to see things. here lays the difference between a normal person and a fanatic, actually, be it religion or anything else.

                                Mandalorian

                                  Dont bother Triple, you cant make a dumb person smart, no matter how good agruments or knowledge you use on them.

                                  ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                    no here's the thing: why are there SOOO many people hoping to win ti money, and by that I mean a vast majority of people starting from semi pro to top pub stars, up to past ti winners themselves and all the top teams at their time, when in fact there's only ever gonna be one ti winner, with such a pyramid distribution of all other winnings as a tradition that won't ever change to erm, say, 1 million for all participants(teams, or better yet just evenly divided for everyone who joined qualifiers) and just 1% bonus for each higher rank you end up with. Cus ask yourself would anyone really discredit such a system would the players who have huge ego really be disgruntled or would there be more chances for everyone to work harder and result in a better ti and a better esport scene.

                                    The prize dough and all that comes with it, it's validating one thing: result. Yes, not even your talent, or whathave you, just result. So ask yourself, what in the world are we participating in as an esport game, is it too cruel, and too unjust and unfair to all the participants. Think Burning, all his fangays think he deserves 5 TI champions. But he's got none. yes you can laugh at burning's mistakes that could have otherwise not stop him from a win that could at least lead to one trophy, but you are not him, and even if you are playing as him, would you be ok with the loss, would you NOT cry on side of the pavement?Think lining up to buy something, and when I say lining up I mean it as an arbitrary tradition of fairness of some kind, and all of a sudden someone opens up a VIP channel out of nowhere just because he's somebody or he pays a lot more or he's the dad of the seller or whatever arbitrary "unfair" factor that resulted in him disregarding the seemingly peaceful line and coming on top as if nobody else exist. Would that be far from what you saw on the best success stories ever? You know, the ones that actually sounds positive?

                                    And how about this, you have a crush on a girl, you think she's your goddess, but in fact most likely some other guy somewhere already fucked this girl to his heart comtent a million years ago, would you come to terms with the obvious? What give him the right to the girl when he doesn't even value it close to you? And don't tell me a guy who plays dota has more chances with girls than otherwise and that you've never been heartbroken?

                                    and coming back to playing dota, who are you to say that whoever got the environment, or the goods that helped him achive what he achived deserved it in the first place? Shouldn't there be ideally a perfect or at least trying to be perfect test that line up fresh new players by their actual talent and potential and THEN distribute accordingly? After all, whether it be prize money, worldwide recognition, for it to reall y matter, and hold no room for doubt and jealousy, something like that's what should be done, no?

                                    You see when it comes to fairness, it's not so much about selfishness or selflessness, but more about whatever the have gets them justify it, and whatever the havenots don't have they discredit it. In a world that tends more to the result, the process is disregarded, therefore the whole human life reduced to nothing but symbols of life and death.

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                                    plz do

                                      everytiem i go into this thread and see tldr posts i crie and dream of pa headress offlane pro plays.

                                      TripleSteal-

                                        ^wet dreams suck

                                        outerspaceboys

                                          tldr posts is off the chard

                                          Metallicize

                                            Saleelul sawarim nasheedul ubah
                                            Wa darbul qitaly tariqul haya
                                            Fa baynaq tihamin yubidu tugha
                                            Wa kateem musawtim jamilun sadah

                                            Saleelul sawarim nasheedul ubah
                                            Wa darbul qitaly tariqul haya
                                            Fa baynaq tihamin yubidu tugha
                                            Wa kateem musawtim jamilun sadah

                                            Behi azadini w galal bugha faya qawmi hubu lidarbil kumah
                                            Fa ima hayatun tasurul hudah wa ima ma'matun yughighul uda
                                            Wa ima ma'matun yughighul uda

                                            Saleelul sawarim nasheedul ubah
                                            Wa darbul qitaly tariqul haya
                                            Fa baynaq tihamin yubidu tugha
                                            Wa kateem musawtim jamilun sadah

                                            Faqum yaw'faya lidarbin naja lilamdi saweeya nasudul ghuza
                                            Wa narfa umajida wa nu'leh jiba abat antadila be ghairil ilah
                                            Abat antadila le ghairil ilah

                                            Saleelul sawarim nasheedul ubah
                                            Wa darbul qitaly tariqul haya
                                            Fa baynaq tihamin yubidu tugha
                                            Wa kateem musawtim jamilun sadah

                                            Il al haqi haya da'ana lewa
                                            Li sahil manaya be harbi aydah
                                            Faman ma ta'minna fi dan an himah
                                            Bi janati khuldin sayaghdu azah
                                            Bi janati khuldin sayaghdu azah

                                            Saleelul sawarim nasheedul ubah
                                            Wa darbul qitaly tariqul haya
                                            Fa baynaq tihamin yubidu tugha
                                            Wa kateem musawtim jamilun sadah

                                            Saleelul sawarim nasheedul ubah
                                            Wa darbul qitaly tariqul haya
                                            Fa baynaq tihamin yubidu tugha
                                            Wa kateem musawtim jamilun sadah

                                            Saleelul sawarim

                                            Metallicize

                                              الله أكبر

                                              quity

                                                lmao where is that pa headdress guy now?

                                                ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                  and again for Burning, just because you are a bystander do you really know better? Or just because you are Burning himself do you really understand yourself best? Thus do you really have a clear judgement of what is right, what is fair, what is justice? Whether you deserve a TI? Whether you are capable of a TI so you actually keep trying more years?

                                                  saving private RTZ

                                                    What relentless doesnt require any knowledge. Its just copy-pasting straigh up from the Bible.

                                                    Also saying that Muslims must kill other religions because thats how their Koran says its straight up bullshit.

                                                    saving private RTZ

                                                      Same shit should've been said by Muslim about christianity.

                                                      And why would we believe what bible says. Have you been there to see those things? I doubt

                                                      Metallicize

                                                        hey op, how much a dollar cost?

                                                        B4N3

                                                          I have read most of the Quran and I was shocked at what I found in there. So much of the book focus on unbelievers and how they will be punished. The whole purpose of Islam is to "Fight and die in the cause of Allah" there are certainly certain passages that are quoted out of context (Such as the infamous "Verse of the Sword"). However overall the Quran seemed to explain why there are so many radical Islamist in the world and why many call Islam "The Religion of the Sword", also shit like Mohammed saying that if anyone leaves Islam they should be killed, this is why there are recent polls showing that a lot of Muslims in countries like Saudi Arabia believe that people should be killed for leaving Islam as well. I think that a lot of people that defend Islam would be surprised as to what they would find in the Quran if they actually read it.

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                                                            ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                              I'm saying there is no fairness at all in a world where it seems like so many people are just another guy but when you put them to a test they simply don't give the same fucking result, so why pretend that anyone deserve a rule protecting them from being massively shamed on for being so much inferior, I can so far as quote the seemingly less "balanced" "league of lesbans and fgs" as a lot of you like to derogatively call ilt, and the actual result of why such a "shallow" game has always been so much more popular than dota 2 and dota 1 in all its years, despite all "valiant" efforts from icefraud and volvo and gaben to try push dota 2 to bigger crowds

                                                              ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                erm you can keep thread jacking I'm sure that makes you a smarter guy

                                                                TripleSteal-

                                                                  @b4n3
                                                                  well, bible has nothing to do with being friendly as well. its basically jsut a story of a god killing ppl here and there for something that he caused himself.

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                                                                  Mandalorian

                                                                    Is it just me or this chinese nick kid, who is bad at Dota, doesnt make any fuckin sense at all in his long posts.

                                                                    the realm's delight

                                                                      my negev jesus goin hard

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                                                                          ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                            or I can say kitrak is a total jerk on the internet but when he walk to school every day he help the blind nanny across the street therefore I cannot judge him purely by his actions on the interwebz but I am entitled to only look so far because and simply because well I am not that nanny

                                                                            B4N3

                                                                              I have not read the Bible but that is a red Herring and has nothing to do with whether or not the Quran inspires violent acts in its followers. This discussion always gets muddied up in people saying "Well Christianity is bad too" etc. All major religions can and have inspired violence but I think Islam and the Quran are more apt to do it.

                                                                              ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                                Or if we get back to dota, kitrak is the best player in the whole fucking world and there's always dogshit player reporting him cus theydon't realize how awesome kitrak is, is it justice served for kitrak or not just because he's also jerk on the internet

                                                                                B4N3

                                                                                  Your thread has been hijacked and is now a religious debate thread that will be full of misinformation and logical fallacies, the most popular of which will be Red Herring and Ad Hominem

                                                                                  ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                                    erm thanks a lot for thread jacking i guess.

                                                                                    faw

                                                                                      religious ppl = retards im sorry. all ppl who believe in their religion are too scared to face the truth, but well at least we can udnerstand u

                                                                                      ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                                        further more if you so much as think that at least there's a bit unfairness for burning, or hao, or whathaveyou, then you'd think there's a bit unfair for the ti format, for the (and I am saying that in the premise of the unachievable utter fairness, the ideal) esport scene, for your mmr, for your every game, every fight, every report, for every insignificant or best playa, and note all I try to discuss with anyone willing to engage in discussion with me isn't some kind of self glorification, it's just that I like anyone else have the fortitude to step out of the self and try to engage in the environment we are in in a top down pov instead of an fp pov, that's all, I mean after all the dota games you played or watched if you can't or o't even entertain the idea of doing that that'd be pathetic too

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                                                                                          Religion in the general sense(belief) is one traditionally cowardly search for truth, but there's nothing wrong with that, truth hurts, religion is your life jacket.--although one begs to queston why you ended up growing from infant who can swim before born to such deformation

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                                                                                          Filthy

                                                                                            I am not gonna read all this shit , however the way I go about it is. Be ruthless as fuck however do not cheat . Basically try hard within the means of the game, however in real life stuff I don't follow this cuz fuck that I refuse to step on people to get to the top , either I'll get to the top by hard work or I'll just get as high as talent and hard work will take me

                                                                                            Filthy

                                                                                              I fucking hate politics .

                                                                                              faw

                                                                                                ^honestly its just a question of time until science gives u wayyy more than religion does.. not a long time ago we used to think that the earth is in the middle of the enitre universe, so its sooner or later not a search for truth anymore, its just in fact people being pu*sies

                                                                                                ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                                                  Yes and by doing so you are effectively making dota the escape of your dark side. Now some people will find it just alright for them, but others wil find it harder and harder to control their "dark side" without as much realistic social restraint, and in the end the boundaries get dissolved. I am not talking about GTA, I am talking about the underlying mental schema changes that as players we all go through even if we'd be unwilling to admit to. From meta changes to playing a totally different game our brains get reworked, it's up to you to think if that's your freedom of choice or complete slavery. When do you last feel like you cheated icefrog himself? Is that what icefrog wanted you to think?

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                                                                                                  efextoide

                                                                                                    wtf happened here