hahaha, i remember my pos 3 slardar who had free lane bought vladz first item instead of dagger. for sure he fall off and run around map like a donkey without any catch ability to use advantage (freelane) he had. he start blaming wk for jungling after losing his lane xD. when i asked why u made that trash item he said "caues we have melee carry"
thats it buddy. 99% of players are stupid. they cant adopt with anything and suffering 0 game sense. just stick to your ideas and handfull pro players u respect. others are plain traehes.
Try to understand your own timings and hero power spikes and more importantly your allies timing and spikes. If you rush a dagger when your teammate's all have power spikes later in the game you are throwing the game. You are trying to force fights when they are not rdy and do not want to fight. You on the other hand will do nothing with the dagger as your teammates are jungling and you are by urself. In cases like this get tanky which would be pipes so you can def and buy space for your teammates. If your team has good power spikes around the time you can get a dagger then you can snowball the game into a win. Mindlessly going the same items every game and not understanding why you buy them is easy way to lose and throw games for your team.
some games the enemy are just going to run into you and that's when you don't need initiation, and being tanky can be better. that's not to say you can't go back for blink 2nd or 3rd item still.
@kowareta fyi vlads first is actually quite common on slardar. probably less so now that it doesn't give any stats but it's still a good item. makes him tanky from the armour, lifesteal synergises with his damage from ult and bash, and helps the team with taking roshan.
maybe in the game you were talking about it was a bad item if you had no other heroes for catch but that doesn't mean vlads is dogshit on slardar. as with most things it depends on the situation.
There's no point in having dagger if you can't do shit with it. Besides, as offlane you want to contest and aggro a much as possible, tankyness allows for that. Easier to serve as bait and frontliner too. If used for other shit then welp, that's not good
есле ти дахер пакупаиш должын сразу реалезавац ево а есле падохнеш то вриале можыш с ахна прихац впринцепе да са савим дахерам сроним репорт
my games are really shit show tbh. i dont know if its because low behavior score or really divines are so bad.
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5279889368
just take a look yourself, i bought the 2 piece already but he buy vladz. i had it even queue up i guess. my mid 9th picking kunkka into timber =)). like are these guys even serious??
i had a timber pos 1 who didint bought lotus while enemy midlaner bought vessel as first item. 50 min game he didnt bought lotus against all the spells and specially vessel!!! guess what he bought after we knew they have vessel, bloodstone =))))))).
i had 2 deso 2 vladz in my tesam, in fucking 5k mmr my goddamn mars bought deso after pa and vladz after me.
he use tp to farm big wave where pa is farming to ruin his game, but pa end up reporting me instead cause i couldnt take this anymore and afk in base xD.
the amount of retardness in this ppl are actually insane.
It really depends on your hero, some heroes like centaur/mars/axe/lc can afford to get dagger as second item after a vlads or vanguard because of their abilities.
On slardar need to get dagger after treads 2 bracers to wreck havoc in the map.
yaaaaaaaay
finally someone with brain who not buying valdz first to tank up with +3 armor for 2k gold 
Honestly they have nerfed dagger so much over the years I consider it mostly situational now.
Vlads slardar doesnt have to be bad imagine if wk started play together with the slardar and push lanes, it would hve been dope. The blink is better mostly though since people tend to group late and with pick offs u can vlads second item.
Mostly the item builds can have good intention but people ave other visions on how targeted goals should be achieved
Dont forget also a blink involves 2,3k holding gold while u can buy vlads parts to sustain better in lane. Also there is a venge that game who most surely can initiate early with a swap so he can buy that blink as a second item.
Also doesnt really look like a game where u initiate on rather being initiated on
@mew
yes venge most certainly can initiate with lvl 1-2 swap in archon without a lenz, but its not going to happen in high mmr brackets buddy.
those ppl are not braindead unlike you :)
well seems to me that only on high mmr bracket the slardar dies 3 times and its better off him dropping even more gold trying to save for that blink while u are not going for that aether lens on the lane.
I bet the venge only initiated in 2 of those 20 last games won a stomp.
https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/vengeful-spirit/guides?page=4
Kowareta's adventures in ranked are so funny x) Looks like the matchmaking puts you with the most boosted players on earth to tilt you haha.
Androgynous kinda said it all :
- if they run at you like apes or you already have decent catch initiation, it's acceptable to go for those tanky auras (pipe vs magical or crimson vs physical).
- if you are part of the team running like apes or lacking catch & initiation, it's better to provide it with blink.
And no Mew, you don't initiate "real teamfights" (5v5, no talking about smoke ganks) with lvl 1 - 2 swap on venge.
You use it mostly to save your poor drow ranger from chrono or to reposition a fleeing ennemy.
In lategame with the aghs fear mechanic, seems strong on paper but you have to ask the knowledgeable people on this. I never had the opportunity to try it as a b***h pos5 that swaps glimmer force staff to save the pos1
this mew guy is so fucking retarded actually, every time he speaks i have one more reason for it.
he assumes venge job is initiating fights, then go around sees nobody buying lens (while keen optic and telescope are options too, but he is dumb or he dont care, he just want to beat me in his little life i guess) then comes says hey nobody making that item so nobody has problem with initiating fights on that hero!!!! maybe nobody initiate the goddamn fight either sherlock!
i dont know who to trust here, myself who called archons braindead from first days playing this game, or a guy having 150 gpm when playing on my lvl in a "PARTY" game, be sure you would bullied to grave if you played that game solo!
The fact that there are morons saying vlads first slardar is bad shows that this forum is awful for learning this game. Jesus Christ.
Well vlads is bad if your pos 1 is building bigger item, the point of vlads is so you can run around with some pa or shits, jump people and stuff.
BUT in fact 90% of the game slardar pos 3 don't need blink first item lol. Heck i would report my offlane slardar if he go blink first item and do you even know slardar stun is only last 1 second lol?
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As I watch offlaners play I see a tendency of buying pipes or vanguards ahead of blink. Sure it's useful for survival purposes but doesn't it halt your initiation growth? Cause from my perspective having an opportunity to execute a swift, sudden attack is more important than tanking the incoming damage.