what do u need attack speed for on treant? just build phase boots and soul ring to solve the other 3
Give 2 base armor, lower living armor mana costs and cooldown at lower levels, like maybe make it 21/18/15/12 seconds, spell is still trash at lower levels despite the last few damage block buffs. Rework his 15 talents, like maybe a choice between extra armor healing or more bonus movement speed in guise.
THE HERO IS STRONG. JUST BECAUSE YOU CANT PLAY HIM DOESNT MEAN HE NEEDS A BUFF. YOUR IDEAS DONT MAKE SENSE. HE DOESNT NEED ATTACK SPEED WHEN HE IS A CASTER AND HE ONLY NEEDS ONE ATTACK TO INITIATE AND HE ALREADY HAS THE HIGHEST BASE DAMAGE IN THE GAME AND 2 AGILITY GAIN WHICH IS ABSURD FOR A FUCKING GIANT TREE. HE DOESNT NEED ARMOUR BECAUSE HE SHOULDNT BE THE TARGET OF PHYSICAL ATTACKS UNLESS YOU ARE HORRIBLY OUT OF POSITION. HE DOESNT NEED MORE MOVEMENT SPEED WHEN HE IS FASTER THAN PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING WHILST INVIS AND HAS ALMOST GLOBAL MAP PRESENCE. HE DOESNT HAVE MANA PROBLEMS BECAUSE NONE OF HIS SPELLS ARE PARTICULARLY HIGH MANA AND HE NATURALLY BUILDS MANA REGEN ANYWAY. PLEASE. STOP.
@parmaviolets
Pls go play kimble u are out of your league
U have 3 games as TP and 1 won! Just git gud and come back
@parmavioletsPls go play kimble u are out of your league
U have 3 games as TP and 1 won! Just git gud and come back
Are you disabled? Do you mean 4 games excluding turbo, in which I only lost 1? And including Turbo 7 games where I only lost 2 because the hero is so easy you dont even need practice or thought to play it?
Here. Go watch this game https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4797897630
I randomed Treant, played it in a tri lane and ended up dominating the whole game because of how fucking easy and borderline busted the hero is.
You can't even escape 1k with 700+ Treant games, you are 300 mmr AND you think Wraith King jungle is viable. You do not understand the basic mechanics of the game or comprehend how balance works (such as your idea to make Gyro aghs double his attack speed or perma flak cannon. etc). Never talk about anybody being out of their league when you are so fucking below any league you don't even know if they exist or not.
^She have issues pls just ignore him and lets stay in topic
0.01% always have these issues human brains are so vulnerable
She have 1 game @7.22 and it is turbo still she game here to tell how TP is good and I'm shit as TP =D
Don't forget morning medicines
Lol, so when someone hits you with the truth you just claim that they are insane? Haha nice.
lets stay in topic
There is no topic. None of the things you wrote in your OP are problems that Treant has, therefore this is a pointless thread with no topic.
If TP is so over powered go play ranked games and raise your mmr a lot!
After 100 games or so come back and share your knowledge with community and we all benefit! TY I will be waiting
your points apply also to brood and have you ever seen what happens if they last pick brood?
Yeah my last game they did when I was WK safe lane so brood come to off and It was painful game. I was forced out of lane.
End was happy with WK doing 25581 damage to structures
Treant have problem which apply to pick order! As u are support u "should" pick hero first and Treant is not a support which can be good vs all enemies
If enemy last pick brood and we have no real counters we are fucked if TP does not finish aghs early! Very early!
Treant aghs is very good vs Brood
imho. Brood will rape all and none gets any farm if Brood is good player. Brood and clinks most broken heroes right now
If TP is so over powered go play ranked games and raise your mmr a lot!
No. I dont play that position in ranked.
Treant have problem which apply to pick order! As u are support u "should" pick hero first and Treant is not a support which can be good vs all enemies
No he doesnt. He is not a particually situational pick. He isnt hard countered the same way a true cheese pick such as Brood or Meepo is. Most people will not focus on a Treant pick when drafting.
Ancient 5 Brood player with lots of MVP awards @ https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4808521712
bit off the topic but was real pain in the ass and I almost lost the game
edit. Luckily I was not playing treant which might be sure loss in that game
wk jungle is legit 3k below..my friend did it and now he is 4.3k..as for the topic we all know that treant is very weak atm since vessel and aa has been pick a lot,,you better pick nyx or bh instead that can scale better than treant..the dude thad 719 games on treant with 61% win rate..there is no fucken way he cant play it..
I have this "dream" if I make first item Moonshard as treant and win a game!
Moonshard will help team to have vision when TP scouts at night and if team get major edge u can make it even bigger by giving moonshard to your core.
I will try it some of my next games. Pls tell me your opinion about it
all the buffs you saying is just for his laning phase i think to make him trade better and he kinda trades pretty good alrd,problem is he doesnt really give anything except tower defense after laning phase,most heroes can do the trades+doing other shit better too than him
if you playing brood vs treant you usually just went manta-bkb and wont even give a shit to his overgrowth lmao
if you really wanted this hero to be op just make his ult undispellable so all enemy cores can shut the fuck up after he press r
AHAHHHAAHAHHAA that soyboy parmaviolets
and OP having a ''dream'' to make a Moonshard on Treant Protector AHAHHAAHHAHAHHA
Meh MoM tested already was no good.
@Feachairu So it would be like stun. Sounds like tidehunter or enigma
So next game I again try to skip agha and go Shiva's guard as first item. Agha games are too long and would be better to win bit faster
I actually find that my main concern with treant is his living armour being so quickly diminished by dots. I think some sort of separation, just like TA has, would be helpful. For example, the charges could be for the block, but the heal continues for the duration... or whatever. Right now, half of games I play I find living armour to be throw-away due to the presence of AA, Leshrac, Dazzle, Dark seer etc. Equally, something on towers that enables the armour to ignore creep attacks or something would be useful.
^agreed
LA need to be reworked.
LVL 25 AOE LA doen't even work on creeps! Maybe 25 could be global like Omni agha
if the heal actually continues during the duration after shield explode it would be pretty broken especially on towers or heroes who love to dive in
pretty good idea actually,why not make a second io
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Treant protector problems
-low att speed
-low armor
-slow movement
-low mana