i'm pretty sure its partially on purpose. most games with matchmaking intentionally rank players lower than the game expects them to stabalize in order to give the player the feeling they're accomplishing something and to reduce error.
Your in normal skill bracket. Dont expect high mmr. Winrate doesn't affect your mmr calibration.
I thought valve almighty is so good at putting ppl where they belong? They shouldn't put me so low then I ruin 63% of my rAnked games. Usually smurfs are fail fish with 40% winrate. I laugh at them and enjoy seeing their misery as much as any other dotabuffer. Sorry to the 1k community. @jovi. Fuck u u don't even know what 1k looks like. It's a dark dark place my friend
Well^ it doesn't matter in terms of ur actual calibration mmr. Sure. It matters in terms of being accurately placed where u belong. That's what I'm saying. So what if u calibrate at 4k. With 20% winrate u will drop to 2k in no time.
Tripletard. Obviously I deserve more than 1.8 come on. U kidding mate?
Enjoy your climbing and stomping while it lasts and stop complaining unless you want like 4k then buy an account
well this op intentionally want to calibrate low, he posted somewhere i forgot. Am i wrong razzledazzle jigglypuff?
rofl. razzledazzle jiggly puff? Busted. Calibration is shit guys. But the real question is. What's my true mmr? Cuz triple tard is wrong again.
if im wrong and u have 63% winrate at 1.3 being a higher rated player than 2k, i feel bad for you.
LUL u r absolutely right in assuming that I'm dogshit if I couldn't get a higher winrate with my rating.
Ah but isn't It possible to be a higher rated player and not have linear winrate curve (where the common assumption is the larger the skill gap, the larger the Winrate). Anyway u r not taking into account that I could be maintaining that winrate while my rating increases. That would mean I'm not gonna bottom out at 2k.
I'm curious though, where do u estimate 500 points for a 60% winrate?
I think he means is:
Because you have a 63% ranked winrate technically you are way better than your bracket. And because your at 1325 a +500 'estimate' is actually generous.
In ranked matches, a positive winrate (50+%) means you keep getting better.
Challenge yourself. If you think your 1k mmr is unfair to you, win ranked games till you reach the mmr you deserve.
Good luck and get good :-)
"where"? i dont get the question.
its not linear, though. it is just strictly increasing as ur real mmr increases, but the marginal change decreases the higher the gap between ur nominal and real mmrs is.
if u maintain same winrate at all mmr levels, it means u play bad on purpose in lower rating for some reason.
if u mean that u will improve over time and manage to keep the same winrate later, it doesnt rly have anything to do with ur current skill level.
the 500 points estimate comes from the fact, that u get more points if teams dont have the same mmr.
500 points on one player means, 125 greater avg mmr, which is approximately a +30 points game for the lower mmr team
and this represents a 60% winrate. (numbers are obviously not correct, but meaning is the same)
don't worry, judging from your winrate u can climb with ease, i calibrated at 1 k flat (yeah a scrub) after 90ish game clocked at 1,9. bet u can do faster than that.
@triple I like how u think. But There are many reasons that u maintain a similar win rate at lower brackets without it being on purpose. There could be many reasons why u deviate from the curve. Playing worse on purpose may be one of them but it ain't the only plausible reason.
Also, I don't know why u think the rate of learning shouldnt be part of ur estimation of mmr, or that learning doesn't impact ur current skill.
we are talking about true mmr, and which by its very nature is something to be obtained in the future (given that u are not at your true rating), but is impacted by how u play every single game in the present (your current skill). I can't really predict how I will learn or improve over time given im playing in games that are not equivalent to my current skill. I think u only significantly improve when u play w ppl around ur skill level.
Also u mean the marginal change decreases as the gap decreases right?
there is a "normal" term for functions with first derivative > 0 and 2nd derivative < 0, but i cant quite recall it.
in casual words, it is increasing, but the rate of it increasing is decreasing.
the question was about ur current skill level, and ur ability to improve it later is not part of it. being a 2k player able to learn things fast is better than being an average 2k player, but at this exact moment of time it is still 2k.
you cant quite have the same winrate at different skill brackets at the same point of time. its like, idk, being able to lift different weight for the same amount of times max. it generally doesnt work this way - the higher the rating is, the more difficult it is to win, and the lower ur longrun winrate becomes.
@raschi I'm quite interested in the math so would be nice if u get the numbers right. Don't really understand still how u derive the numbers though. Can u explain in more detail?
There is another way to improve dude, i started dota 2 november last year but i played dota for a very long time but just a casual gamer . My old acc calibrated at 2.0k and i climb to 2.8k now and i make this smurf cuz i cant get into 3k . Always stuck at 2.7-2.9 u know how i improve from 2k? I watch pro players game, i watch guide on youtube, i read forums and ask people . Thats how to improve your skill dude
LUL to those 2 ^
I don't care about improving. Why do u assume I want 4k? Did u guys even read what I said or did u assume that this is a "why I'm not vhs" shit post?
Anyway triple u r right. I wasn't referring to same point in time. 1.3k is obviously not my current. Dotabuff is just whack. If u look at my trend ranked winrate. It's pretty much constant. Which doesn't fit the curve at all. In fact if u look at more recent games my winrate has gone up. Well u could say I've learned. But nah. Didn't learn shit or improve. I'm still better than this noobs and still rising toward my true greatness.
Calibration is lame
Don't care about improving? Why come here and whine and bitch about calibrating too low when that's exactly what would fit shitheads like you? You can stomp every game and feel good about it until you can't anymore then complain about MMR being rigged.
Just go do it till that point and stop coming over only to become salty when people already knew all you wanted is attention.
^mmr is not rigged. calibration on the other hand is fkd. thats my point. do u comprehend?
wait. how did u read my thread as whining and bitching? because u are in the same group of retards that are just assuming this is a "why im not vhs" post?lol wtf. did u read what i said at all? only guy bitching here is u.
You are delusional and I feel sorry for you. So I'm going to give an explanation for your winrate for free.
Your first few games is where you proved to valve that you feed and have low impact and that's when you got the sub 1k. You did very well in sub 1k so valve put you in 1k+.
Tldr
In your current state you ARE 1k
what u said made no sense bro. let me tell u the real story. valve thinks im a scrub and puts me in 1k. now im doing very well in 1k becuz valve put me in 1k when im actually not 1k. end of story. no delusions. just facts. god damn u people are so conditioned to people whining about their mmrs and trench pools u think i give a fk about all this. this is just a shitpost, sorry if anyone got offended. rofl
I checked ur 1st 10 match, and all has a low stats and u picked more of support hero. Ur 1st 10 match is crucial since it will either put u on VHS or 3.7/8 k above or on normal. Try making an acct again and on ur 1st 10 games, pick a carry hero and get a good stats. KDA, last hits, tower damage, stacking etc. Try to compare the difference.
valve is silent about calibration but we do know couple of things. before you play any game, game gives u default mmr, based on what you marked on first start of the game. Then, as you play games, you gain or lose mmr, based on your performance. for example, game gave you default 2000 mmr, you play slark first game, had a score of 30 /1/26, had insane hero dmg, you can get like 1.3k mmr just from 1 game. as you play on, those mmr winnings or lossing becomes more and more stable, until it doesnt care about performance anymore, its just based on winning or lossing game. so what happened to you, you had very low hero dmg, poor kda first 5 games so you may calibrated lower than you actually can do. but if you are any good, you will improve over course of a time.
your all games are normal skill not a single high skill,i made couple smurfs and all games were very high vs 5ks and in the end i get about 3500
@Coroner yes thats the thing. I tried this theory out. Had some good carry games and got High and VHS often. I then choose support heroes for many of my games after being some VHS games. I manage to get all VHS by playing support/semi supp. You know how? By doing great HD and done lots of killing in the beginning of the game. Since I killed them of early, my carries get lots of farm and I get lots of money to get items and have greater impact in mid and late game. I try to set up as many kills and kill as much as I can. Stacking and pulling in late game as support does not matter at all trust me. Also the GPM and XPM does not matter too much either.
But what matter is simply the killing. That comes down to experience and skills. You can´t kill a good carry if you don´t know how to do it. If you don´t have any clue how to set up the kill for your carries or for someone else like yourself then you wont manage to be VHS by paying support, thats for sure. Its not like PA and Slark who can one shot support or squeaky heroes.
All my games was VHS but I then had some really bad games and did not manage to kill or get too much items to do anything as support, I dropped to high skill in some games but manage to climb back to VHS playing support. So in the end I am sure all you need to do is ganking and killing. Stacking and pulling matters but only if you know how to set up and kill anyone.
@Jacked so what if you aren't a 1k? You might as well get out of here and start stomping to climb because none of your words here help you to raise your MMR, and if you just want to whine about being calibrated low you are just delusional because that's a closed case and there's nothing to help your 10 calibration games that had already been over unless you calibrate all over again, which you would have done it instead of bitching here and there just to seek for attention.
check my smurf account last 2 gamez i had 5k huskar and morphling and yet i wil get about 4k you cant get high mmr if all games are normal skill ...dont be such a r*etard
In my pocket i have 80% of the money in this room.
But it's only 80 cent :(
Why is it so little?
Eventhough the % is so rather big!
Think about it.
Becuz valve looks at meaningless stats and performance indicators rather than winrate during calibration, shit like this happens. Ggwp valve
You would calibrate at 1k even if win rate was considered. Because in that universe you won't be able to maintain win rate cuz 1k.
You can easily see if you don't belong there by playing on the calibrated mmr. If it's easy stomping, then valve was wrong, but if you struggle to climb then they were obviously right.
All the game before calibrating count too, since they give you a hidden mmr. The hidden mmr determines the first calibration games.
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Given my sick winrate. Why valve do this?