doesn't matter, i once calibrated a 1k unranked avg acc to 4k.
if you play good enough you'll calibrate 4-5k
@sir swirl
"I GOT WHAT I DESERVE"
my main account is 4.1
now my smurf is 5.6
feelsgudman
you can't calibrate above 4999, meaning you'd have to grind that extra 600-700 mmr even if you got a perfect calibration
so technically you grinded your mmr so you deserved it
I will tell you why. Because you are low 3k or 2k 100% sure. You have a tons of Normal and HS in your account too. and those games count. You play mainly Slark and hard carries to stay VHS or even HS and does not even manage to stay in VHS with those heroes.
I play mainly support and my games are also mostly VHS. Only dropped to HS when my games are really bad with support but I can make one whole page VHS easily as support if I farm too.
Not here are the stats compare to mine.
YOU: Very High 67 games 44.78%, High 41 games 68.29%, Normal 39 games 66.67%.
Me: Very High 75 games 53.33%, High 44 games 56.82%, Normal 7 games 42.86%.
You have LESS VHS games than me with a ton more games. What does that tell you? Once you are in VHS at least try to win some and actually carry the game. You can´t even do that. Meaning your mmr would drop hard if you do bad there.
Do you see the difference? While you manage to go 39 games in normal skill playing super hard carries I manage to go 7 playing super low dps and support heroes. While you somehow manage to have 44% winrate in VHS as carry meaning you most likely do not deserve to be there, I manage to have 53% going support who gives last hits to my carries and stacking and pulling. Ask yourself how is that possible? You are not 4k because you would be ablt to carry HS and Normal skill games by ease and also would manage to play in VHS with more heroes than Slark which is super noob hero. You are not fooling anyone here. Playing hard carry and still manage to drop to HS is complete shit. Since I play in VHS too but as support, I have lost all faith in my carries because of people like you. Now a days I take last hits too and don´t give a fuck about losing a game. People like you do not deserve to be in VHS bracket.
3.1k is about right for you and you wil be 2.6k mmr or something. Please don´t make a new account because "my team mates sucks, we don´t have wards, my we don´t have support, we need dust" I have seen too many of you low skill players in the VHS bracket so far. Its been real annoying.
Jomhh4 no butthurt, you're almost the same with OP :-) later you'll start at 3k calibration :-)
@Positive No I won´t because my main is actually 4.6k. As I said. I play VHS games and got really huge impact on on them as support. While you manage to play hard carry with 44% winrate..... also complete dogshit stats as Carry too. I can tell you are low 3k for sure. Another example of why I don´t trust people in VHS bracket anymore.
If you are that good please start playing 10 games as supprt and I will go 10 as PA carry. Lets see the stats afterwards OK? Lets see whos talking.
On your Yasp is says 3.7k mmr and that with playing hard carries. On mine it says 3.7k mmr too but that as support. Only have I dropped to 3.7k last 10 games because really bad games. Stayed 3.9k for like ages got 4k too. Let me show you how I get 4k+ again as support or playing support heroes. Also you are on sea servers. that is no doubt worse than EU West for sure. So you would probably be around 3.5k here.
jomh4 what's your main solo?
can i throw in my stats here?
normal- 2 100%
high-6 80%
very high- 57 70%
i didn't play much support, only 17 matches. it's very inefficient to use support to inflate skill level for a better calibration.
it defiantly works if you're a good support, but not as much if you're a good carry.
@Cookie 4.6k main solo. Yes I know support is super inefficient but thats what i play the most and thats what I enjoy the most too actually. Since I have an 4.6k main playing lots of support but also carry, I don´t really try to calibrate this account. I will play this for fun and I might give this away to my friend but he needs to do the calibration of course. Don´t wanna be that guy.
@Cookie can I ask you why you are making a new acc if you are 5k? I made new acc to practice new heroes and play with friends who are new to dota2. Something I can´t do in ranked with him and a few others.
Yasp isnt accurate lmfao, i got played with 2 stacks couple of games , as you can see how big the deviation of that (+/-) . rofl . LOOK at your profile, comparing mine ?lol. I got 0 NORMAL SKILL GAME.
want the truth: i didn't lie about that message, ''i'm gonna be that guy''. im getting it to 6k and trading it for something.
Yasp will just mess on you johm4😂 , if you played with 2 stacks and the lower mmr guy revealed his mmr,and the other guy with high mmr hide his mmr. Yasp will calculate base on that data. 3753(-/+ 782)? So funny man. That very big deviation on mine just tell me it's inaccurate. Thus it mean 4,545 or 2,961? Lmao.. I wanna Tell you on the secret of hidden mmr. You're calibration is based on your first 15 games and last 15 games before calibration. ( THIS EXPLAINS OP SITUATION.) And im 100% sure ,you'll end up at 3.3-3.6k maximum calibration base on your profile johm4😂
i'm 100% sure calibration is based on how you play the calibration matches.
but you're technically correct about the last couple of games for the starting mmr for your calibration matches, not like it matters because a highly skilled player will calibrate highly even with a low start.
Yeah cookie ,that johm4 kid will soon come also here posting at dotabuff why his calibration starts at 3k :-)
@Positive Yasp isn´t fully accurate you are right. But you should not be 3.7k and playing hard carry. There is no excuse whats so ever. Atleast hard carry them and then you can talk. You got pretty much the same stats as me with support heroes in VHS games.
I also told you to challenge me if you are that good and talk trash to others. VHS games do not say anything about your actual skill. Party with someone or not you should not be 3.7k. Then how low is your friend 2k? If you are playing in VHS as carry you should be 4k+ no excuse. especially when you try to calibrate high by simply picking high DPS heroes like you do. All signs are there man. You pick high DPS heroes, excuse for low mmr on Yasp, poor comback with VHS games like it says a lot when on Yasp it says 3.7k on your account, and on top of that you are only picking same DPS heroes. Thats what low skill players do to calibrate higher.
And you are still not able to do well with 44% winrate on VHS. I got 53% as support. Now explain that to me pls. I bet you can´t.
i mean if he's actually more than 5k, then he'll easily get the average to 4-5k. so i don't see an issue in that
First couple of games on a new account bruh still have effect on your first ranked calibration game and your couple of last game before calibration. 7k dudes know about this. You can ask them :-)
pma, sincerely it doesn't matter.
like i said, if someone is high mmr he'll play like one and calibrate high like one even if the matches you first play and last play determine where you start, like the example of me getting a 1k to 4k.
Johm4 haven't I tell you I'm on experimenting the effect of big loss streak and win streak on hidden mmr? :-) I can ez stomp 4k. No worry son :-) but sorry to tell you you wouldn't get 4k on that account. Cookie your wrong. Just try 6-7k players here. First couple of games has share on your calibration game :-)
You can call the attention of kitrak,ywn,vrosk or tripplesteal. They know well about calibration memes. But still no one have to perfectly decoded the secret :-)
how are you going to replicate that? ofcourse the first couple of games matters because the game checks if you're a smurf or a low mmr player and puts you into a skill level, that is correct. you're probably misinterpreting it
but in general it doesn't matter because to get to level 20 you're gonna play a lot of games and that will increase or decrease your hidden mmr nonetheless
another reason it doesn't matter is because those players(like me) are already super high mmr and will be getting high calibrations anyways.
for to test that claim we'd need to make 4 accounts,
one where a 1k plays the first and last 15 games, but the 6k inbetween. where 6k does the calibration
one where the 6k plays first and last 15 games, but the 1k inbetween. where 1k does the calibration
one where a 1k plays the first and last 15 games, but the 6k inbetween. where the 1k does the calibration
one where the 6k plays first and last 15 games, but the 1k inbetween. where the 6k does the calibration
anyone up for testing that?
@Positive
This positive player player think yasp is so wrong so he needs to come with excuses. I can´t wait for you to calibrate your account man. 44% winrate on VHS and still talking. As hard carry. Its most likely you will drop your calibration games with 44% winrate too. We will see who was actually talking man.
You talk about difference in mmr on Yasp like it will mean you are actually 4.5k. It could mean you are lower than 3.7k too. How can you be so deluded thinking it only means you are higher when you have 44% winrate on VHS? HOW????? If you can´t carry the games then you do not deserve to be there its that simple.
Nonono cookie, first 10 games still have effect on your first calibration matches together with your last games before calibration. Just look at OP he actually must be 3.5k atleast on his calibration match if only base on his last games before calibration. Hope you understand bro :-)
As I'd said, im experimenting with something.( big loss streak and win streak effect on hidden mmr) . See my last games. I'm on 8 streak win right now. Planning to get 10 win streak then another throw red days. :-)
I can't carry games :-)? Is it natural to get 895 xpm on ursa at vhs dota even higher than your alchemist on that game:-)
@Cookie Positive have no idea what he is talking about. He think just because you are 7k you know about the calibration. Its very very simple math. You stomp you get higher mmr. You kill and do a lot on the game and you will get higher mmr.
He talk about the first couple of games count like it does after 100+ games... no it does not count a single bit after 100 games in fact. All that matter is your last 20-30 games. Because those are the most updated one on your skill level. And as you said Once the ranked calibration kicks in, its the same calibration method all over again but here you start from your last hidden mmr. Wins or losses does not matter a bit. You can go 44-1 with Tinker and still lose but gain 200mmr.
i mean we both could be wrong tbh. my claims come from all the accounts i calibrated, and i always get a calibration in between 4k and 5k, no matter where the account started.
on the other hand unless you got someone to test all those 4 situations, we won't really know
Hihihi. 3k spotted trying hard to get 4k. You should consult the 5.5k guys here up or just call attention of our 7k doters here to give you little idea on how calibration work..
like i said, we can test this:
one where a 1k plays the first and last 15 games, but the 6k inbetween. where 6k does the calibration
one where the 6k plays first and last 15 games, but the 1k inbetween. where 1k does the calibration
one where a 1k plays the first and last 15 games, but the 6k inbetween. where the 1k does the calibration
one where the 6k plays first and last 15 games, but the 1k inbetween. where the 6k does the calibration
if you don't want to test it, then none of us will know how it actually works. all the deviance here provided was anecdotal, either we do an actual test/experiment of these claims or all agree that we're all incorrect.
Yeah cookie, that experiment just tell me your above 4k skill level. But if you stomped on your first 15 games you got higher mmr maybe 4.5-4.8k. :-)
I can´t believe how stupid this Positive is. You talk about ONE single bloddy Ursa game!!!!! I talk about your 44% winrate man! that means 80+ of your last couple of games and that inlude like like 40+ games you have been playing carry. How stupid I can´t fucking believe. I am done talking with you but I will look at your account. I will keep track on you mr low 3k player.
Can´t carry in VHS yet talk about he can when the facts are right in your face.
Oh I was wrong its not 44% winrate in VHS. Its fucking 39%!!! 39% in VHS for this Positive player. Terrible stats as carry and talk about being 5k+. I don´t even understand how you can try to fool and lie about your performance like this.
Yasp is low so you are in party with 2k mmr player
You have 44% winrate because you are "experimenting"
You can carry in 4k+ games but has 39% winrate as carry in VHS bracket.
You know all about calibration because 7k players know this. Its of course not their actually performing like an 5k+ player that makes you calibrate high....
Man this guys logic. I am 100% sure he is 20 or younger and I am there fore done with this stupid kid.
well the experiment would tell us many things, most particularly if the first and last games matter, and is calibration only about the skill of the player during the calibration matches or what his pre-calibration matches dictated?
can we do another experiment, you guys do 1v1 mid. then each one of you does it 1v1 against me
here's my theory: skill determines mmr calibration.
meaning if i beat both of your then my theory becomes viable, and none of us have to do 400 matches each for the experiments.
@cookie 1v1 do not tell you about map awerness, teamwork and lots of lots of other things. It will only tell you about 1v1 skill on one single lane with 0 opponents. It does not work at all.
Winrate doesn't matter at calibration :-) I'm on hidden mmr experiment (loss streak and win streak effect on hidden mmr) johm4. You just got lucky to get vhs honestly :-)
it does. because we're only measuring a portion of your skill, but we're also only measuring a portion of my skill.
also simply putting it that i lose 1 in 100 of sub 5k players, meanwhile a 7k would have a fair 50/50 chance.
for you to be in an mmr , your overall skill has to fit in that mmr. you can't feed every single lane, every single game 0/10 but then win the midgame, you have to atleast survive
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i was playing mostly vhs and minimum hs. and only normal skill with party players. and now first solo mmr match i played with 3100 mmrs. im4k player. how is this possible?