Your last 3 games were totally one-sided and your team won. What do u wanna hear? Nobody will watch your replays here. Come up with a question like that when you will lose.
Lich is picked for experience denial and you've leveled up nova 1st, I would conclude that you are clueless. But I may be wrong.
I can understand the need for mana, but whats the point in having it if you have no spell to cast? i get the denie factor but the cd is too long for it to be useful. You could miss out on potential first bloods or savings allys from getting chased down.
Tranquils -> urn -> aghanims/scythe/veil
You can also go with building guardian greaves instead of tranquils if no1 else in your team is making it or if your team is super mana greedy but lich's aghanim is quite strong if you pick him in a right match up where you have somebody who can gather/slow the enemy team (magnus/ds/treant) so aghanims is quite good item to go for it first, I hope you got the idea.
Lich is usually offlaning but he can go safe lane as well, don't pick him if your safe lane support has already been picked but has no reliable disables (stuns which are easy to land)
ok cool, thanks for the advice. Do you think lich is a solid support pick or should i invest my time into another support?
Lich is pretty straight forward so he isnt hard to learn and quite boring imo. Apart from that, after last nerfs he isn't that popular in high mmr and pro games. Besides, he has no disables and need a certain line up to reach his maximum effectiveness. If I were you, I d rather learn playing classic supports, which are more popular in high rank games, fit into most of line ups and barely go out of "fashion". For instance: lion, disruptor, witch doctor, crystal maiden, oracle (!), ancient apparition, ogre magi.
Ok thats what ill do, cheers all! Appreciate the feedback. i wish you all wins in your next games!
Level the creep denial skill and always take the ranged creep. Outfarm their carries and gg
Sacrifice is super strong- but you gotta use it on the ranged creep, unless you're super, super desperate for lots of mana right away. The ranged creep is worth a whopping 90 exp (the siege creep is worth 88 and more mana, so that can be a good choice too)- now that's not only 90 bonus exp for your team , but it's ALSO 90 exp taken away from the enemy team. So every time you do it you cause a 180 exp differential between the teams. Ten Sacrifices gives you a 1800 Exp advantage. 20 gives you 3600exp. It really, really adds up. It gives you a very nice level advantage to work with. Not even to mention how it pulls your lanes back meaning added safety for you and added danger for the enemy. That makes it hard to really quantify the usefulness of the skill, but rest assured, it's massive.
Later on makes sure everyone has Frost Armor all the time. It makes a huge difference, but a lot of players get lax about this- even pro players. Not only the armor, but the slows make for impressive damage mitigation. Put Frost Armor on all 5 heroes, put it on your towers, put it on summons, refresh it on heroes that already have it but are running low, put it on the lead melee creep- spam that shit CONSTANTLY. When you're playing Lich, everyone else in the room should know it because once you get to the mid game that Frost Armor sound is going off every 5 seconds.
Lich isn't a flashy hero. He's a blue collar hero. He succeeds by repeatedly doing little things all game long. Patience, persistence, and pacing are the ways of the Lich. Some people find this "boring." With the exception of landing a big chain frost, there's no one moment where you really see the hero winning the game or even a fight. He just does it quietly, one deny, one frost armor at a time. He doesn't mind that nobody really notices him, in fact he's quite happy to keep it that way. He doesn't mind that his carry gets all the credit for crushing the under leveled, under farmed enemy team that's been mysteriously falling further behind all game long.
There's no denying though that the son of a bitch wins games. I don't know what your goals are (winning? learning? 'fun'?) but if you just want to win there's nothing wrong with easy heroes. There's a reason Spec and Lich are always near the top of the win rates. Ease of execution becomes less and less important the more individually skilled, and the more coordinated as a team you are, so that's why you don't see pros pick those heroes as much. For the rest of us though, it's often a stronger pick than other heroes that may theoretically have a higher potential.
best advice would be ignore anyone who doesn't have blue star by their nick
except me
90% of stuff written above is useless
I would maybe ignore anyone who has a significantly under .500 win rate with Lich and yet thinks everyone else is a moron but doesn't say why or how or give you any specifics or advice at all other than to acknowledge his perceived greatness because everyone else is useless compared to his massive 46 percent win-rate on Lich on 39 games. I think that last guy is the only one on the whole thread, including the OP, who looses with him, lol. How can you lose so much with arguably the simplest hero in the game? Even I can do pretty well with him.
Right away I thought maybe he was some master Lich player and I could learn something, but after that cursory examination of his record I quickly concluded that he's just self aggrandizing- probably has low self esteem or social problems or something. I would advise that he's the type best ignored, but you can check all that stuff out yourself if you want.
Thanks heaps snerdly thats the detail i need! Never realized how powerful sacrifice is, ill be sure to utilise it better from now on. And frost armor everything! As for advice buy low players i welcome it as well who knows they might know something i dont, but in saying that i do check to see if they know what they are talking about.
Honored to be of use! I know I'm not a great player, but in the last 12 months, since I figured some of this stuff out myself, I have a 68% win rate on Lich, so I think if I just played tons of Lich- and a few other heroes I've gotten better at- I could up my MMR and win-rate quite a bit, but I'm still just in the learning stage and I want to learn more heroes and get better at the game. Right now expanding my hero pool and learning is more important to me than hero spamming and MMR. The rest will come in time. I figure now is the time to learn and if I'm going to lose a bunch of games because I don't know what I'm doing... well, best to get that out of the way as quickly as possible. It's gonna happen sometime anyway, unless I just play the same small handful of heroes exclusively my whole life.
That being said, I know there's players who can probably give you better advice about everything, but a lot of people on this forum are pricks and don't want to help, so I figured it's up to lowly old me to share the little I know that may be of some use.
Just to add on to what Snerdly said, Since lich is pretty easy to play it lets you practice other supporting tasks as well. Learn to go stack the jungle camps for your cores between sacrifices ( You can stack several camps if you're a safelane support but even on offlane you can stack that one hard camp and the ancients.) Also if your mid isn't going for the rune closest to your lane you can go pick it up every two minutes to make sure the enemy mid doesn't get it. Also remember to keep wards up. Whenever sacrifice is close to being ready, make sure you're in lane to eat a ranged creep.
Of course making sure your core is wining the lane is just as important. If the enemy is capable of killing or harassing your partner, don't go too far to stack camps and don't bother going for Runes. The point of Lich is to WIN the lane so hard that you're likely to just win the rest of the game from there. So its usually best to sit in lane eating creeps and blasting the enemy for the first few minutes until your core has a decent level advantage. You can also pull the wave if your lane somehow gets pushed out really far. (This isn't likely with you eating creeps but if youre laning with a Kunkka or Sven they can push the wave)
Also remember that Lich Doesn't need items. Aghanims is nice of course but if youre running around with Tranquals and wards 40 minutes into the game you're still capable of doing your job. So don't steal and farm or kills. Let your cores get the farm and if youre doing your job right you should get gold when they start winning teamfights.
Havent played Lich in a while but Ive laned against him a few times and a good Lich is just cancer to lane against.
Yeah i always forget to stack camps. I just want to be the beat support i can be because there is nothing more satisfying getting your carry fed and watching them stomp everything.
Lich is picked to dominate the lanes early on and give you a massive xp advantage. Every single time your sacrifice is off cooldown you deny your own ranged creep either from mid or from the lane you are in, it gives you additional xp and removes 90xp from the enemy, which is insane and it stacks up after a while giving you a solid xp advantage. Generally at the start of the game you play, you run to your mid lane and wait where the creep spawns, deny the ranged mid creep and proceed to walk to your lane. Doing this will already give your midplayer a solid head start
/edit, ofcourse if you are almost out of mana you do the melee one.
I would maybe ignore anyone who has a significantly under .50.. and blah blah blah some shit i can't be bothered to read
your advices mean nothing when you're playing in bracket where noone knows what the fuck they're doing
the endless paragraphs you made could be summed into this:
use sacrifice on ranged creep because it gives more xp
frost armor gives.. armor (?) and it's cheap so you can spam it on everyone
.. okay i thought there was more but i overestimated you oh well
you gave around one and a half useful advices on this hero which are pretty obvious anyway, is this all you learnt about the hero in 58 normal skill games, yet you claim yourself to be good at the hero (while lich is super easy to play to begin with)?
i'm pretty sure that i could firstpick mid lich, build carry items and win 90% of times in your bracket
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Trying to get gud. Thanks in advance.