No, idiots are the people who assume MMR and player personalities are uniform and similar throughout every region.
A 6k in NA and a 6k in EU have their differences, even if we don't know which is 'better' because that is subjective. Likewise, a certain region CAN be more toxic than others, you're a fucking dumbass if you think otherwise. Whether or not SEA is toxic is subjective, but saying SEA ISN'T toxic for sure, is stupid.
huh? im outright saying SEA server is full of arrogant piece of shits
i guess u just read the tldr and i think its a bit misleading now that ive reread it, idk how to make tldr's lol
"No, idiots are the people who assume MMR and player personalities are uniform and similar throughout every region."
i acknowledge this before and while making the post, and i do agree to that. For example, Japan server has lesser toxicity than SEA (hence why i suggested it). However, it's also wrong to assume that there are literally ZERO toxic people in other servers. toxicity will and always be a part of an online community because of anonymity, it just so happened there are probably twice as much of these ppl in SEA server
BUT that isn't the point im making
THE POINT IM MAKING is to just deal with these people because you, as a single individual staring at another computer screen, can NOT stop these people from being toxic (or idiots, or both) by complaining about it on an online forum (or anywhere online, really)
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/109851109/matches?date=3month&hero=&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=&game_mode=®ion=india&faction=&duration=&enjoyment=any&timezone=Pacific%2FPago_Pago
Indian Server - 56.67%
SEA Server - 48.55% win rate
I'm also a normal skill scrub i guess. Not to say that SEA has worse players than the indian server (infact you could argue otherwise from the stats considering i have a higher winrate on the indian server maybe there are more noobs there). IMHO team play on SEA sucks most of the time coz of people unwilling to communicate. I dont think its because of variation in individual skills of players with same mmr on various regions.
i do agree that communication is a problem but i personally think of it more of an annoyance than a problem. This is because 1) I'm in normal skill and communication < skill, then 2) communication can easily be done through a good chat wheel + proper usage of pings (and maybe a few letters like b, g, p, gg, etc)
SEA server has like, 3 or 4 languages + english that people use a lot, and while there are a lot of english speakers in the server most pinoys resort to their own language and some indo or malaysians, idk w/c one, sometimes uses their own language too wkwkwk
I think when everyone is equally skilled in the game, the team with better co-ordination/communication ought to win. So communication > skill.
yeah, and that's evident in rly high mmr + pro games, but on average pub matches? pfft, it's highly unlikely for "equal skill to happen". Yeah u got the same MMR and all, but it depends on what role you're playing and what hero youre playing
if ur not used to the hero youre playing (for example, you dont know who to pick as the last pick and ur teammates demanded earthshaker or some shit, and u've never played that hero before but u still pick it) then ur skill on that hero wont be equal to the others. the same can be said for roles, but to a much lesser extent.
oh and not to mention there may or may not be smurfs in our games, so that further increases the chance of a non-equal skill game
but equal skill games do happen. maybe in a 20% chance or something lower but they do happen and i do agree that in those games, communication > skill
Agreed. My argument about communication does seem kinda flawed to me now considering the other team should also be suffering the same problems. Then again, we have things like these http://www.dotabuff.com/players/162879684/scenarios?metric=region . Pity, there ain't a significant sample size in the last 6 months on the other servers but before that we clearly can see a difference (all time SEA is lower than all time on other servers despite your better than average record during the last month on SEA). It would be interesting to see this statistic for more players with larger sample sizes. Something does seem to be off on the server more than on the others. Cant put my finger on it. :)
At least number of toxic ppl will decrease if those internet cafe kid stop skipping a school, it will make their life miserable in the future if they don't study.
Yah agree with joker we wont see those 3-13-4 fuking leshdog players that has a bloodstone with 2 max charges passive suicide and absolutely 64 fuking tower damage contribution for the team the entire fucking game.
We're here to win mmr, so: Teamplay, solid draft, english chat, no flame. Break these and punnishment will occur.
US West isn't even bad, I get 39 ping, most people speak english, and you're far west enough that Russians and most SEA people can't reach you, the ONLY problem with it is that Peruvians are just south of it, with all the other South American trash. US east level of play is slightly higher though I think, not sure, I play on both, so i'm not sure what server I get put on most of the time.
A Canadian server would be the shit, they would be far north enough that South Americans would be discouraged abit from playing on it, and far west enough so Russians couldn't reach, and Canadians are actually pretty good and nice.
US west is super toxic. They report you for KS because they think kills are most important than everything else(
It is so sad the lack of teamwork(
I get 225 ping to US West but I still play there and do better in KDA than my teammates.
Don't come play on Australian servers. I've been pinoy free for the past week and its been great. Lost 90% with you pinoy dogs
well he might be racist but it's the truth.
I mean the 3 apes on my team from SEA are so scrub that they play in Australia with 300 ping and 200 on their own. abusing us from bobo mo the entire game because they die without any sense of anything of the game. Pinoys are bad and also stupid simple as that. its why the highest sea player in only 7500 considering the entire ape country plays dota xD
lol this game is for everyone.. u might be bad at it or good at it, everyone deserves to waste their stupid insignificant lives playing this trash game as much as they like... if u really are way better than everyone else on ur match then there is a very high probability that u can win... if u lost then dont blame others for ur incompetence.. think of this, if u r playing at a 2k mmr match and u lost and ur teammates performed significantly underwhelming, who would u blame? well the one to blame is definitely you because if only u have the skills of a 6k player then u couldve easily destroyed the enemy team
tldr: ur good u win , ur noob u lose simple :)
Everything you just said is irrelevant and is complete nonsense. can you tell me how to win when it's basically 1v5 and your team is already has 25 deaths in 20 minutes. You shouldnt require to be 4000 mmr higher to win games dickhead
well im cruising in my friend's mmr bracket(this account).. I raised his mmr +1000 in 57 ranked games.. so im pretty sure that ur skills and attitude to the game defines ur ability to win.. if ur team is subjectively dying out of nowhere (never use the term feeding cause ur not sure if they really are doing it on purpose and provoking them will eventually result in them ACTUALLY feeding), u must still play the game with the best of ur capabilty and never ever use others incapabilty the reason of ur lose since nobody is ever required to play good at this game.. do ur best and if u lose then next game, if u win then next game its that simple :)
feel free to check this account if im lying about the mmr rise
Like my last game? not exactly sure what else i am meant to do. I brought every ward upgraded courier. I was 6/0 at the start of the game. When the lion places wards in radiant jungle when we are defending tier 3 and lets forget to mention the void chrono on 3 of our team so we get hit by the kunka ship
Mostly the problem I've noticed is the lack of team communication. So for some tips:
1. In the drafting stage decide with your team who gets the role and which lane he go. Sometimes multiple player wants mid, so lets just give the mid to the person who gets to first placed his icon on the minimap and this includes other lanes.
2. Never complain on small mistakes! It can lead from bad to worse! So try saying it in a positive way and get the mood light for everyone.
3. If your teammates are arguing each others mistakes. Just let them know to "Pls help each other guys" this makes them feel bad for disturbing the others.
4. Importantly, praise them with their performance. Ex. "Wellplayed" "Clap! Clap! Clap!" "WOW". This will lead them to do their best even further.
5. Try your best to make friends specially your teammates! Dont be arrogant just because you are good with that hero your are playing, you dont care anymore around you! DOTA is about fun! Trashtalking is good as long as the motive is to make the other person smile :)
always invis u shouldve picked riki... he's too op on normal.skill or just find a hero that provides u a very high win rate... dont be a retarded jack of all trades if ur purpose is to win games.. u have good.invoker so just spam the living shit out of him until he gets nerf like shit... just a friendly advice and if this is a smurf then u might need to make a new one cause there is no way you can change this to very high skill unless you have the irrelevant "4k or higher mmr skill"
Do you even know US West? The people there are so mad about stupid stuff!!!!! Like they will flame you for years because you KS'ed with Dagon! And they will call their friends over to gang up on you because of that!
If you want to have a good game play US East or EU West, but US West server is really entertaining, like a good comedy show)
US East is 10x better than US west, the people there are relaxed and don't rage as much about KS though you still have 1 or 2 occasional jerks.
The only problem with the SEA server is when they come on the Australian server.
At low levels of mmr the levels of retardation is significantly higher amount SEA (read - pinoy) players than it is among Australians. So while the game thinks "this pinoy is 1500 mmr and this australian is 1500 mmr it should be okay to match them in the same game", what actually occurs is that the pinoy plays like a 500mmr australian and so whoever has the pinoy on their team has a significant disadvantage. They don't know how to play safe, they don't know when they can be aggressive, they are inefficient, have no communication other than "bobo", can't last hit, don't pay attention to their surroundings etc etc etc.
That's why people insult SEA server.
agreed. came over to play on china servers because of the pinoy trash. 3rd world country retards.
On the upside, supporting uncarryable cancer players has improved my map awareness and decision-making - playing with these types of players forces you not to space out mentally in games, and find new and effective ways to circumvent their extreme incompetence.
True, games with these kind of players are usually lost causes, but not always. From my experience, sometimes the other team can tilt at key moments too, and throw away the victory. Plus the MM system sometimes gives you close games or flat-out winning stomps.
So the way I see it, rising to the multiple challenges posed by games with cancer teammates enables me to more easily control the outcome of other games which are actually winnable.
my last game ranked is so greedyyyy. Zeus, timbersaw, alche last pick, jugger, jungling lone first pick. IDK WTF SUPPORT DECIDED TO PICK ZEUS AND OFF COURSE WEAK LANE EZ MORPHLING SPACE EZ FARM. but still win anyway i do not even know why.
yea even VHS SEA kinda retarded . i had a sniper pick with armlet and shadowblade and hardly even kill a support with slow farm. heck i do not know why people still pick sniper these day , small DPS , farm slow as fuck , cannot hard carry , squishy , basically useless
well he might be racist but it's the truth.
No it's not. You gotta keep in mind that a there are a lot more Pinoy players in Dota than other SEA nations, so by law of proportions there will also be more trashtalkers.
I have the same experience with American players in US West, but I never generalize that the whole country is like that, I just think that there is a high proportion of trolls/jerks in the US West server, but not all of America, the US East server is just fine, for example.
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like srsly, every week 1 topic becomes like this (or is made entirely because of this)
i'm in normal skill after 2k games because im a huge moron, i know. Now run along peeps, i've had it worse than you all yet you still whine whine whine
"But SEA server is full of noobs blah blah blah"
Yeah, but the same can be said about other servers. The grass ain't greener anywhere son. There are 0k's in every server, there are 1kers in every server, etc. And you wouldn't be playing with morons unless ur a moron urself (in w/c case i am a big moron but idc). and u complaining about this shit doesn't change shit in SEA server; there are noobs and there will be stupid people so all u gotta do is to DEAL WITH IT
"But SEA server is full of arrogant piece of shits who think they're better than everyone else"
Well... yeah, this is true, and idk if the amount of arrogance in other servers can match up to SEA server. But unless u can play on Japan server or Aus without high ping or some shit, u just gotta deal with it, mute them, or what the hell, just stop paying attention to them. There are actually good-natured people in SEA server but u just dont wanna notice them cuz "hurr durr there's this 1 guy in my team in this 1 game that's arrogant af so everyone else in SEA server must be arrogant and i should complain!"
"But I can't raise MMR in this server!"
IDK son, you must be some special kind of idiot if you're LITERALLY not raising mmr everytime you play. I know and YOU know that you've climbed at least 100 MMR before once but you dont wanna notice this cuz all u want to do is to whine about the goddamn server. I've climbed over 1100 MMR ever since last year when i started playing solo MMR religiously, and that's from 1.8k land SEA. I've climbed from hell's butthole to hell's nipples. At least crying whiners like you have it better; youre either in the high end of High skill bracket or lower VHS.
and lastly,
Stop blaming your idiocy on the server. If you're a born idiot at dota and ur stuck in normal skill like me, then wth, stop complaining and just play the goddamn game if you want, or make an effort to actually be better. But ur momma doesnt even care about that shit, heck if ur studying or working ur prof/boss doesnt even care about that shit. Only you do. And this shit brings ur MMR down.
Unless ur aiming to go pro or some stupid kidnapper says he will not kill you if u got 6k mmr account then MMR doesn't matter much. It's all the same in all brackets. Sure having high MMR is good and makes u feel like a damn God or something, but if the actual climbing turns you into Satan incarnate then u better not have it at all
tldr: incompetent idiots should stop blaming the server for their own stupidity; should just try to be better or quit