General DiscussionSometimes, tinker is imposible

let me summon sano

/tinkerplayersarefgts

luna players are mexican wetbacks

This is your fault satellizer, you didnt want to play with me :(

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save yourself the pain of his clockwerk

fucking space creator

we lost because of melody drow

bad hero

I am not good enough with the hero to actually make a game impact so big like i do with OD necro or templar.

Fucking hero is too hard

i dont lose with drow, I even bought a whole drow set so 80% winrate inc

if you have the time watch game ID 556082415, nice gameplay and epic game maybe you can learn from it

Thanks sano, it might help

is that me on drow?

It's obviously about Avy's Tree.

I feel you dude

tinker so easy to counter, it's called nuke

and pretty much everything else in the game...

selling soul ring instead of bottle is just lol

^ yeah I didn't notice that. Soul Ring is extremely important until late game, sell it only if you're gonna replace it with a big item (usually 6th item is Bloodstone, can be Linkens as well)

i know dat feeling dorkly
http://dotabuff.com/matches/540532048

omg? real icefrog??

Yeah, cuz Icefrog has a 48% winrate

also, do you know what order he got the items? Was it dagon first or hex first?

Oh god i always thought bottle was more important, so bad ....

Wish real icefrog was a tinker player, so he could buff it to make it OP

Some games i get hex first some games i get dagon, in this one i got dagon because, believe me, we didnt had damage to kill shit.

Don't carry Bottle with you, keep it in base to regen quicker in fountain.

If you Rearm 5 times, that means you activate Soul Ring 5 times. That's an extra 750 mana pool it's given you, compared to Sheepstick which gives 430something I think, and Bottle which gives 210.

You also never deviate from the same late game item build, Sheep, E-blade and Dagon. In one game you're against a Pugna, Radiance + Manta Spectre, and an Earthshaker. That's definite reason to go BKB. You'll need to block the blink initiation from Earthshaker, the Nether Ward damage from Pugna, and the pure damage from Desolate as well as magic damage from Radiance.

I mean i do get other build sometimes ( aghs or shivas or forcestaff ) but i never bought bkb with tinker, but you are right that game i needed bkb

Busy buffing tinker spells DND

Please give him 4 strenght gain, make rockets hit the same target if there is only 1 in range and make his ulti cost no mana at lvl 3.

Thanks.

It'd be cool if Aghs lowered the channeling time of teleports.

Heat-seaking missiles is such an stupid spell. I mean, it hits Crystal Maiden (cold chick), Lich (a dude in permafrost) and worst of all Ancient Apparition (a living chunk of ice). It should just ignore them and instead both hit that bitch Lina, that prick Ember Spirit and the asshole Phoenix.

Yeah and it should hit people you don't have vision as well since it's heat-seeking

Can someone give me a insight of this game ?

http://dotabuff.com/matches/568250978

Rushed hex, i think my hex timing wasnt that bad but it didnt do enough i guess.

btw sano how did you get used to use so many hotkeys ? by experience ?

http://dotabuff.com/matches/561650861 RLY

shit happens man

Experience, but it's hard and sometimes misclicks happen (for example, when I sell my bottle and put a Shivas on its place, I always misclick the shivas at least 1 time before getting used to it) but that's not a problem since you can ream. Only problem is misclicking bkb.

What was your hex timing? It seems it was bad. Usually you want it under 30 min. 23 min or less = very good, 25 min = good, 28 min ~ decent. By 35-40 min you should already have hex and another big item.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/565473043

meanwhile tinker on my team dies 4 times doing level 1 ancients

I think it was 28 min, i am not sure maybe a little bit early, but after hex the game was too one-sided already.

It even posible to get hex before 23 min ? Again, i dont know why but my gpm with tinker is never as high as it should be.

You had Hex and Dagon and still only had level 2 Rearm by level 23. Keep a skillpoint spare when you're above level 11 so you can choose between level 1 and level 2 Rearm (saving mana for pushing, or needing to use the mana in fights), or level 2 and level 3 Rearm (when you're nearing sheepstick but you don't want level 3 Rearm without it).

Against their enemy team, maybe a Eul's or Force Staff could've helped instead of Dagon 3 (2.5k gold more than Dagon 1). Eul's can block X Marks the Spot, purge off Open Wounds, block stuns, and Force can reposition you if you do get caught off guard. Living to perform 3 Rearm cycles is better than dying and only doing 2, even if your Dagon does do slightly more damage.

Although I've not played Tinker in a while, and I stopped playing him semi-regularly long before, so I'm nowhere near as good as I used to be (not that I was amazing to begin with), so what I say may not be correct.

It's possible Dorkly actually if I'm not mistaken Arteezy got a 22 min hex vs c9 in the monster invitational finals, and he wasn't even stomping his lane (he actually died 1 or 2 times iirc)
And yeah if you're getting hex you need your ult lv3 or you wont be able to permahex anyone

with level 2 rearm you have 3.5s hex duration and 2s channeling rearm, so your time to cast all your shit is 1.5 seconds. probably means you won't be able to cast laser.

with level 3 rearm you have 2.5 seconds to cast all your stuff, whichs a 66% increase over 1.5, so it's much more forgiving.

^But you're short another 100 mana per rearm

true, but you're trading mana for kills. spend 300 more mana to guarantee a kill is worth it. better that than risk not getting it.

Yeah but you should only max your ulti after you have at least 2 big mana items. Hex + bloodstone/ethereal/dagon FIVE/etc

except it's not worth it with hex

"But you're short another 100 mana per rearm"

yeah but you don't really need 5 hexes at 30 min... you need many hexes in the ultra late, but 2 or 3 are more than enough to win a teambattle in this stage

Tinker was best in dota 1 days. Where he could refresh midas. Do manta/diffusal BoT pushes. Nowadays he's nothing without sheepstick.

Nah Dagon+ethereal is still kindaaaaa good

tinker is the only hero i can play, suck at everything else, all hail tinka
broke my 12 game losing streak x_x

http://dotabuff.com/matches/557409328

Oh god that its sad

It's sad. I've put so many games into tinker and still suck

I wonder how long it took to nerf Midas from being able to be Rearmed.

Since nobody has posted this yet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqzC_XEA2kU