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General Discussionwhat do u guys think of EE's arc

what do u guys think of EE's arc in General Discussion
🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

    basically every game i play arc with 4-6 actives.

    idk, sometimes if it's super late you can store shit in your backpack so i've played up to even 8+

    Shou

      Hex bloodthorn mjollnir Pike diffusal blink sb/silver edge linkens bkb necronomicon (apparently as a farming item) maybe bfly

      ETd

        I find myself having problems w melee cores in general when I play Arc, particularly those who can get into your bubble, or even pull you out of it, like PA or CK. In particular, is CK considered a strong answer to arc, or just meh?

        Shou

          Ck is good for sure against arc Warden, his ulti makes flux useless, and he pulls out of bubble.
          It's not a completely one-sided matchup but aw has to have godlike positioning, and always keep tabs on ck. The other thing is ck's uptime isn't that good so u have to abuse his cooldowns on his ulti.

          Shou

            The other one is PL, with blink he can always find aw in the backline, and if the PL uses diffusal on the mjollnit active he kinda ass rapes aw.
            Cookie says he never had trouble with pl but the dotabuff matchups say otherwise

            Sia

              the most triggering part about arc warden is a wrong item choice completely loses u the games. i think half the games i lost i couldve won if i built the right items. and this fuckin hero is so slow and kitable without bots on him so u cant even put it on backpack most of the time. (you can but SO SLOWWW)

              meteor hammer

                ck is annoying

                u don't have to have "godlike positioning" lmao. unless he has blink+shadow

                just normal aw positioning should render ur main unriftable. ck still obnoxious but if ur both alive u kill his ult fast until he has heart / heart+ac or skadi

                aw is not slower than someone who is hexed or someone who is diffualed so idk what ur complaining about, hes like 20ms slower than heroes and has 999 long range slows

                honestly idk how its so hard to have good itemization. just mj into pike is braindead and always works, some games u buy diffusal and its op, some games u buy orchid and its op, this hero can buy basically anything that gives damage and has an active

                meteor hammer

                  godlike positioning is playing sniper with no pike and no bkb, and killing everyone versus storm ns w/agh meepo pudge centaur

                  Shou

                    I said that u said u didn't have trouble with pl
                    But here is what dotabuff says
                    https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/arc-warden/matchups

                    Shou

                      Godlike positioning for me is different than for u jd cuz I'm shit at positioning
                      But good at using storm and ember and abusing that fact abt 2k players
                      At least I think

                      🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                        those stats are from literally any mmr 0-10k, in a higher game that means nothing.

                        fx

                          I hear am is aw counter in someway

                          🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                            brood, meepo and riki are the dead on counters to arc.

                            heroes like CK slark am lycan are really good vs arc, but they're not brood, meepo riki.

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                            Shou

                              ^hey I'm just saying what I see bro

                              FLOCCOUSTIC

                                @feelsbadman maybe he wants to say buriza do kaynon for mortred :))