General Discussion

General DiscussionPlay dirty to win, or play fair to lose

Play dirty to win, or play fair to lose in General Discussion
Livin' Real Good

    OMG Lyrill, stop taking everything I say the wrong way. XD You're defensive about everything ! O_O

    Let's play Dota on SEA, I can play there with decent ping cause of my super internet connection :L

    J-Man

      Yet, your win rate is in the negative. Maybe those brainless, unexperience players are not from others, but maybe from you? You're coordination maybe off, you didn't push against a late game team. All this can be summed by your actions alone that you can do. I've five man carried a team before, but if they didn't do their jobs, even at half the skill a "normal" player would be at, I might not have won that game.

      Think about your own faults first, before blaming others. You're not Devilish.

      D the Superior
        This comment was removed by a moderator
        ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

          how many people can figure that out really? how many people simply never blame teammates ever(whether they show it or not), truly?

          it took me this long to finally realize, I don't suppose all those blamers (whether you show it or not) really get it

          J-Man

            maybe name the person who your talking to, so no one gets confused. I'm everything but, "Kind and gentle".

            D the Superior
              This comment was removed by a moderator
              J-Man

                True, I go on some games and I absolutely tear my teammates an asshole for doing something wrong; However, I always go back on myself and say things when I mess up all the time. You mess up, you learn from that, and you move on. You don't shitpost on forums to make a point. Everyone will say the same thing. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

                ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                  yeah right, devilish or whoever's 8k, as if I've not watched my share of 7k 8k streams, as if they don't for a shred blame others.

                  I can say I aspire to never blame a bit from now on, does that make me a better player? I hope so

                  ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                    erm i don't do that no more."absolutely tear teammates apart" or that if I do it I don't realize, but definitely rarely ever, not "some game",

                    ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                      the easiest way to not get reported is to show up in every single fucking fight, small or big, even if you lose. low priority games these days are deifnitely too harsh

                      D the Superior
                        This comment was removed by a moderator
                        D the Superior
                          This comment was removed by a moderator
                          J-Man

                            God your sentence structure is repulsive. Hard to make out what you're saying.

                            It makes you a better player, for you start to see your mistakes, not everyone elses. Let them do their thing, and focus on your play. Fight good fights, and you will win.

                            ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                              and never solo somewhere on the rim of your teams' control zone, always stay in the back just to not be scapegoated as the feeder. AND speaking of control zone buy all the fucking wards if that doesn't please those report maniacs

                              D the Superior
                                This comment was removed by a moderator
                                J-Man

                                  Ahh I remember Normal skill, where doing skirmishes turn out to be nothing and large teamfights were just one team strolling in 1 by 1.

                                  Maybe not flameing anyone might help as well. I flame all the time, but I usually go something like 18/2/19 something like that so I get a pass. Also, I tend to be more helping, then harming so I balance out quite nice.

                                  J-Man

                                    yes, that is the general rule, however some rules negate that rule. You have more matches than me, but yet you don't know how to smoke gank properly do you? Probably never buy dust for your SF either, and wonder why BH always gets away, huh?

                                    D the Superior
                                      This comment was removed by a moderator
                                      J-Man

                                        Well, it would bother the hell out of me if I speak sub normal. I rather keep my position and stand my ground, even if it's 2Am

                                        D the Superior
                                          This comment was removed by a moderator
                                          D the Superior
                                            This comment was removed by a moderator
                                            J-Man

                                              Maybe some mental help. I know a girl.

                                              ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                am I not allowed to not buy into whatever general guidelines? I already said I am to be a self initiative and not passively farm up no more and learn to play aggresively to make things easier on noob teammates, of course being aggresive takes more skill as it's more risky to get the same level of security. But that's just my perspective, for someone who's much more good at farming they don't need to be aggresive ever(if such person exist in such meta), and for most people they are much more aggresive than I am and they don't need to fret it so much with all that experience on heroes like qop, storm, etc

                                                D the Superior
                                                  This comment was removed by a moderator
                                                  ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                    exactly, the world is fucked up enough, why can't the internet be a peace of mind, why would people act all high and mightly on the internet

                                                    D the Superior
                                                      This comment was removed by a moderator
                                                      ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                        i don't get it, that just means you need to better your farm, or never play late game heroes

                                                        J-Man

                                                          Then you're playing the wrong hero 24/7 buddy. SF thrives on getting farm and out right hitting his opponents. He shines somewhat early game, and depending on your farm he can scale well into mid game. If you get shut down, your response is to NOT to go on the aggersive side.

                                                          http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1914806408

                                                          Take this Invoker match for example. ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED MID, but since I had faith in my teammates that they can play their heroes and not be some big shot hero who has to initiate, and get all the kills, I came back into the game, got some few assist, and we won.

                                                          Looking at this match here, http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1917120152 you tried to do a little bit of everything. You don't need drums, you had an SB there, wasted gold. You built SB into BH instead of something like blink. Bad Itemization. You had Treads, AND Bots. Again, Bad Itemization. All which costed you like 6k gold, That's a bkb and half deso right there, (if not, a whole deso)

                                                          ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                            and that's me, not most sf who's super aggresive all game

                                                            Livin' Real Good

                                                              Yeah, I dunno, it's hard to care about Lyrill, everytime I try to make peace with him again, he ignores it, but when I say something that "judges him" (even though im not judging him and think he's pretty cool) he then replies with a passive aggressive rant.

                                                              I'm YOUR FRIEND LYRILL.

                                                              J-Man

                                                                You don't get it, cause it's not your niche. Not all games tend to go into late game, thus mid game heroes are strong in this meta. You have to adapt to the meta, not just stay course, (TB brought back though, FUCK YEAH!)

                                                                Play support more, and be surprised on how much you win.

                                                                J-Man

                                                                  There's a reason why people go Super Aggressive on SF. Cause he was DESIGNED to be super aggressive. The fact that his damage scales with every last hit he gets just show's what they were going with him. If you play him passively, you will get spanked for it, not because of teammates, but because of you.

                                                                  Livin' Real Good

                                                                    The worst kind of SF's are the ones who go naked, and go first item bottle, not even 1 Iron branch, or ring of protection, no stats, no nothing, those kind of SF players are almost auto loss for your team.

                                                                    D the Superior
                                                                      This comment was removed by a moderator
                                                                      J-Man

                                                                        Axe was toxic. Had it coming.

                                                                        I'm a hypocrite. COME AT ME BRO.

                                                                        Livin' Real Good

                                                                          The real question is, was he a jungle axe? If so, he was toxic, I LOATHE jungle AXE! O_O

                                                                          D the Superior
                                                                            This comment was removed by a moderator
                                                                            J-Man

                                                                              Yes he was jungle axe. Yes, he didn't come online or moved out of jungle till 15 minutes in. For a blink/blademail.

                                                                              J-Man

                                                                                what over already? Okay, see you guys in 6 hours.

                                                                                D the Superior
                                                                                  This comment was removed by a moderator
                                                                                  ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                                    god damn it a lp game of disruptor reminds me how much I love this fucking hero. this and TASADDAR in heroes of the storm

                                                                                    ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                                      a lot of heroes make shadowfiend look like a total shit hero. especially the ones with fast skill animation

                                                                                      sf was way harder in dota 1 according to most people and still i can't do it justice in dota 2 i suck so much

                                                                                      Livin' Real Good

                                                                                        Uh, alot of heroes DONT make ShadowFiend look like a shit hero, what are you talking about? Actually, NO HERO IN DOTA makes SF look like shit, sounds like you're just in the moment, and exaggerating a bit..

                                                                                        You can even first pick him, without EVER fear of being countered, he's actually the most first picked mid you'll see in ranked, he's that damn good, at the same time not broken, very well balanced, he can literally do it all. He has damage, nukes, amazing team fight ult, good at most points of the game, flash farming, and has great armor reduction during team fights. He's VERY WELL rounded, I don't get why you don't see that, but probably cause you play at like 1.5K MMR SEA. I dunno.

                                                                                        This comment was edited
                                                                                        ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                                          damage is not the only thing in this game, and that's the only thing he does. plus some debuff from that 1.7s animation ult of over a minute cd

                                                                                          Livin' Real Good

                                                                                            Sigh* You just called SF a shit hero, I don't know if I can take what you say about Dota seriously, but I still lub you :L

                                                                                            ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                                              windranger is as close as it gets to do it all, and her skills are all almost insta cast

                                                                                              Livin' Real Good

                                                                                                Actually Mirana is as close to doing it all.

                                                                                                Magic nuke, Stun, escape method, Team fight ult, support, roamer, semi carry, probably the most versatile in the game.

                                                                                                So silence Lyrill! O_O

                                                                                                So are you still mad at me Lyrill? Hmm! I'm waiting !!!!!

                                                                                                This comment was edited
                                                                                                ΙγrιΙΙνεmροs crιsτεναηιsh...

                                                                                                  sf is like a shit version of alch this patch, i dunno why so many people play sf this patch, my point stands still that people obsess over the mid lane duel too fucking much. seriously, do you really have to try to kill mid when you easily expose yourself to ganks. mid should always let ganks intiate, whether theirs or yours. the best thing to do as a mid stand still that you actually try to make a presence on the side lanes, or else this game can delete this mid design. only when you play alch you would only farm, and if your team suck you still will be useless, which still means you gotta fight