Guys, i won 8/10 games in solo ranked matchmaking and i played most games with supports so i didnt have so good k/d/a. I ended up with 2992 solo mmr after 10 games, is it good for solo mmr?
Ok so after 10 games my rating was 4280 with 4 wins. After 20 more games with 10 wins I now have 4296. Can I say I'm doing better or is it just the uncertainty rating kicking in?
@Vaeldiithia
in the fact after a streak win, my dindt grow up.
Like in my 8streak win i recived 26points, and in my 9streak win recived 22points and the number of uncertainty is droping not getting high as you said.
@saboia yes u won a lot of matches but your scores were not impressive at all. U didnt carry your team, like you said, in any of them. In fact, u had most deaths in some of them. when you start getting 20 min holy shit ggs you come back.
Is anyone trending their hidden MMR? I have 3-wins and 0-losses so far and my rating is going down after each game. Last game, for instance, I dropped 5 MMR after winning and going 9-3-14 (kda).
Update: 4-wins and 0-losses now. Lost another 40'ish points going 4-4-8 playing #3/4 support and buying about 15 sets of sentry wards.
@Mapz0r`
I have 4 team ranked (listed above) and 1 solo ranked game (the loss that you refer to). The team and solo ranked ratings are tracked separately and I don't have enough solo games to do any analysis from so I only listed the team ranked games.
My numbers are pulled from dotabuff.com as well as the competitive_rank and competitive_rank_uncertainty values from the console.
hmpph my first 2 games i was 4k+ then i lost 4 in a row, literally got teams where i was forced to go jungle as bs even when i insta picked and called mid....and then the guy who stole my lane didn't call miss and blamed me for dying to timbersaw in jungle == like wtf ...now im in 3.9K+ fml im not even that bad
@MrJag
I think u r playing with friends of lower MMR, and so winning might somehow drop ur MMR (?)
Just estimations, not sure ofc.
@iceiceice-wannabe
I hate getting forced under such situations, but come on, u r jungling with bs, ur minimap awareness should be high enough to spot the MID missing, if it was some hero from the further lane then u might have a better cause about it.
i got lpqed for using tactical trash talk to piss of weak minded enemies #ranked 2 competitive (hint enemies got mad -> performs strong throw -> profit for me YO1)
@SwAg xLeGeNd
In order to see why ur rating inceased and why LC's rating decreased, we need to know the solo rating of each player, and the party rating too, if ur party rating is much lower than ur solo rating due to playing with lower skilled friends in ur party, then the next game where u party with better players, ur rating would increase even though u lost the game.
And vice versa for LC.
My solo rating is just above 4300, my party rating was 4115 after 2 loses, I was playing with 1 friend in the party, whose rating is 3200-3300, the next game I played with my other friend whose rating is 3400-3450, and even though I lost I gained around 15 points or something.
And about the support related issue, u are right, no effect, each hero got his own KDA, GPM, XPM, LHs, winrate, etc.
Got ~3600 mmr and I only play 1-2 per week usually. Works for me. Obove is a picture of how my games usually go. Matched with 2 Russians (talking russian) against a 5 man stack. Needless to say, the Solo mid SF feeds something like 0-18-1. Nice games to be had... :\
@saboia, what I meant was when you win games you werent supposed to, and the numbers are guesses... Maybe you will need 10-12 wins, or the system only put you on the probably-winning-team couse this was only way to balance the game due to other people's stacks, or all games were kinda even based on MMR. Can be lots of thing. But I'm sure you dont need 92 wins in a row, IF you deserve to be higher, you will start stomping people. And maybe you will need to play mid for 4-5 games to have high KDA and also win some games like that to get the system's "attention", have higher uncertanity, then you can continue playing whatever you enjoy most and just play well and win.
Also, worst case scenario, 92 wins is 2 weeks if you are pro on lower mmr.
Can this new ranked system be abused like its mentioned before? Play games in normal mm with smurf acc perma stacks etc get good winrate and start with 5k rating.Why this ranked thing didnt start like everyone in same point at start? Better players will get better rank anyway without handicaps at start or maybe im wrong dunno ...
yes but if u stack lpq or south africa u wont start with 5k rating because overall rating there isnt high enough to let u hit 5k+ you will reach point wher u get 0 for wins etc
Sano, how much MMR did you gain on tinker in the game gryo lost points? That would be a good example of the range of possible MMR changes for the same team in the game.
@Relentless: I'm not sure, because I didn't check after it. I checked my MMR before the Tinker game and I had 4490, and after the Puck game (2 games after) I had around 4530. My MMR keeps increasing, now I have almost 4700.
Well if we split the difference to get a rough idea, since both games are wins and good scores... it could be that you gained about 20 points while gyro lost 80 points. You may have a lot less uncertainty than the gyro at the time which could mean that his score was moving faster. But regardless it is clear from that example that whether you win or lose the game your personal performance can increase or decrease MMR in the same game.
sano Ofc is worth it,plz don`t play weaver anymore without treads that hurt dude. If treads sux pros will not play weaver with treads..dunno why you think is not worth it. Maybe you watched eternal evy he plays sometimes weaver without treads,but trust me that sux..
ranked are unplayable i am starting to troll and ruin games fuck this shit cant have one calm game even in ranked what a joke
subhuman trash every game
@Bogidoto: I don't know what you're talking about, I've seen pro players using Weaver without boots countless times... EE for example never made it in the recent games I've seen him play
why shouldnt it? If you are better than your normal MM you should progress out of it anyway. The only problem is people think they are 100x better than they actually are
3300 MMR, and i really do not feel like I am in the top 10 percent. Surely players cannot be that BAD cos i see huge mistakes happen (including myself) each game. I feel utterly average, not amongst the better players.
Guys, i won 8/10 games in solo ranked matchmaking and i played most games with supports so i didnt have so good k/d/a. I ended up with 2992 solo mmr after 10 games, is it good for solo mmr?
5% 1100
10% 1500
25% 2000
50% 2250
75% 2731
90% 3200
95% 3900
99% 4100
U r better than 75% of the population.
never playd a match... only all-pick with friends.. rating of 2872
What is average for solo mmr ?
Ok so after 10 games my rating was 4280 with 4 wins. After 20 more games with 10 wins I now have 4296. Can I say I'm doing better or is it just the uncertainty rating kicking in?
That is my solo mmr.. never played dota as team-setup / CM . Only all-pick experiance. Can't find a team who fit me. don't know where/how to search.
solo ranked - 4303
win - 4/10
dunno how bad i am
@Vaeldiithia
in the fact after a streak win, my dindt grow up.
Like in my 8streak win i recived 26points, and in my 9streak win recived 22points and the number of uncertainty is droping not getting high as you said.
@saboia yes u won a lot of matches but your scores were not impressive at all. U didnt carry your team, like you said, in any of them. In fact, u had most deaths in some of them. when you start getting 20 min holy shit ggs you come back.
Is anyone trending their hidden MMR? I have 3-wins and 0-losses so far and my rating is going down after each game. Last game, for instance, I dropped 5 MMR after winning and going 9-3-14 (kda).
Update: 4-wins and 0-losses now. Lost another 40'ish points going 4-4-8 playing #3/4 support and buying about 15 sets of sentry wards.
> Game's hard!
Here are the numbers I tracked so far. Curious if anyone else has seen similar results...
Game #, Result, KDA, Rank, Delta from last rating, Uncertainty
1, Win, 6-3-12, (?), (?)
2, Win, 6-3-24, 4042, (?), 689
3, Win, 9-3-14, 4037, (-5), 660
4, Win, 4-4-8, 3998, (-39), 651
@MrJag
check ur results, u forgot a game where u lost.
@Mapz0r`
I have 4 team ranked (listed above) and 1 solo ranked game (the loss that you refer to). The team and solo ranked ratings are tracked separately and I don't have enough solo games to do any analysis from so I only listed the team ranked games.
My numbers are pulled from dotabuff.com as well as the competitive_rank and competitive_rank_uncertainty values from the console.
hmpph my first 2 games i was 4k+ then i lost 4 in a row, literally got teams where i was forced to go jungle as bs even when i insta picked and called mid....and then the guy who stole my lane didn't call miss and blamed me for dying to timbersaw in jungle == like wtf ...now im in 3.9K+ fml im not even that bad
@MrJag
I think u r playing with friends of lower MMR, and so winning might somehow drop ur MMR (?)
Just estimations, not sure ofc.
@iceiceice-wannabe
I hate getting forced under such situations, but come on, u r jungling with bs, ur minimap awareness should be high enough to spot the MID missing, if it was some hero from the further lane then u might have a better cause about it.
whats the poit of this shit i lose again with 4 russian in team and they make build for noobs fuck valve!
^nice wisp
i got lpqed for using tactical trash talk to piss of weak minded enemies #ranked 2 competitive (hint enemies got mad -> performs strong throw -> profit for me YO1)
Got 3300, lost most of my ranked games due to south americans.
#volvoplsfix
solo_competitive_rank: 5839
solo_competitive_rank_uncertainty: 874
solo_calibration_games_remaining: 9
http://dotabuff.com/matches/425282866
i got 20 points here despite lost, legion comander lost 40.
mmr takes hero dmg / heal in equation prolly
which means if u play support there is no mehanic to get some positive ranking when loosing cause u will be broke whole game
@SwAg xLeGeNd
In order to see why ur rating inceased and why LC's rating decreased, we need to know the solo rating of each player, and the party rating too, if ur party rating is much lower than ur solo rating due to playing with lower skilled friends in ur party, then the next game where u party with better players, ur rating would increase even though u lost the game.
And vice versa for LC.
My solo rating is just above 4300, my party rating was 4115 after 2 loses, I was playing with 1 friend in the party, whose rating is 3200-3300, the next game I played with my other friend whose rating is 3400-3450, and even though I lost I gained around 15 points or something.
And about the support related issue, u are right, no effect, each hero got his own KDA, GPM, XPM, LHs, winrate, etc.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/425457216
luna lost game and gained 50 points from 5300 to 5350, solo ranked
again highest hero dmg, gpm.. in team
http://shibbe.com/share/ranked-dota2-shibuyaku.jpg
Got ~3600 mmr and I only play 1-2 per week usually. Works for me. Obove is a picture of how my games usually go. Matched with 2 Russians (talking russian) against a 5 man stack. Needless to say, the Solo mid SF feeds something like 0-18-1. Nice games to be had... :\
The guys against him got pretty high ratings, and he played well.
@saboia, what I meant was when you win games you werent supposed to, and the numbers are guesses... Maybe you will need 10-12 wins, or the system only put you on the probably-winning-team couse this was only way to balance the game due to other people's stacks, or all games were kinda even based on MMR. Can be lots of thing. But I'm sure you dont need 92 wins in a row, IF you deserve to be higher, you will start stomping people. And maybe you will need to play mid for 4-5 games to have high KDA and also win some games like that to get the system's "attention", have higher uncertanity, then you can continue playing whatever you enjoy most and just play well and win.
Also, worst case scenario, 92 wins is 2 weeks if you are pro on lower mmr.
Can this new ranked system be abused like its mentioned before? Play games in normal mm with smurf acc perma stacks etc get good winrate and start with 5k rating.Why this ranked thing didnt start like everyone in same point at start? Better players will get better rank anyway without handicaps at start or maybe im wrong dunno ...
yes but if u stack lpq or south africa u wont start with 5k rating because overall rating there isnt high enough to let u hit 5k+ you will reach point wher u get 0 for wins etc
http://dotabuff.com/matches/421432103 -> in this game our gyro lost around 80 MMR due to bad performance, even though we won
http://dotabuff.com/matches/425664634 -> in this game I lost but due to good performance I won around 40 MMR
Please next time buy treads on weaver. :|
Sano, how much MMR did you gain on tinker in the game gryo lost points? That would be a good example of the range of possible MMR changes for the same team in the game.
@BogiDotO: I don't think it's worth it.
@Relentless: I'm not sure, because I didn't check after it. I checked my MMR before the Tinker game and I had 4490, and after the Puck game (2 games after) I had around 4530. My MMR keeps increasing, now I have almost 4700.
Well if we split the difference to get a rough idea, since both games are wins and good scores... it could be that you gained about 20 points while gyro lost 80 points. You may have a lot less uncertainty than the gyro at the time which could mean that his score was moving faster. But regardless it is clear from that example that whether you win or lose the game your personal performance can increase or decrease MMR in the same game.
sano Ofc is worth it,plz don`t play weaver anymore without treads that hurt dude. If treads sux pros will not play weaver with treads..dunno why you think is not worth it. Maybe you watched eternal evy he plays sometimes weaver without treads,but trust me that sux..
ranked are unplayable i am starting to troll and ruin games fuck this shit cant have one calm game even in ranked what a joke
subhuman trash every game
@Bogidoto: I don't know what you're talking about, I've seen pro players using Weaver without boots countless times... EE for example never made it in the recent games I've seen him play
I was at 4.1k last night checking through the console command.
Played 2 team games, 26-5 silencer offlane, 3-4 ES offlane.. Dropped me 100 points. Down to 4k flat again. Not sure what's up with that.
you have 1600 games played not just 2
^That really isn't relevant.
The match making system makes no sense to me. In particular its annoying that its starts you off where from where your normal mmr is.
(Updated)
Game #, Result, KDA, Rank, Delta from last rating, Uncertainty
1, Win, 6-3-12, (?), (?)
2, Win, 6-3-24, 4042, (?), 689
3, Win, 9-3-14, 4037, (-5), 660
4, Win, 4-4-8, 3998, (-39), 651
5, Win, 8-4-13, 3997, (-1), 616
6, Loss, 10-8-20, 3923, (-74), 609
@Concede
why shouldnt it? If you are better than your normal MM you should progress out of it anyway. The only problem is people think they are 100x better than they actually are
Solo Rating is 4115 after i think 17 ranked games. Its okey i guess.
3404 MMR :(
*While Playing Solo
2550 MMR after 8 Matches played, I think I won three of them :( Support Life is hard Life
3300 MMR, and i really do not feel like I am in the top 10 percent. Surely players cannot be that BAD cos i see huge mistakes happen (including myself) each game. I feel utterly average, not amongst the better players.
By comparing yourself to other Dotabuff members you are not comparing yourself to the average. If you feel average here then you are probably top 20%.
@ M stands for muted
you feed regardless of if you do it intentionally or not so I dont think anyone cares what you say