So people would pick tiny over slardar and that's why he wasn't picked? I don't really follow your point.
I would love to try a position 1 slardar but I feel like pubs will flame and say it's so stupid and pick another carry and force me offlane.
Even with Amplify, he just doesn't do enough dps compared to other carries, and kind of has the ursa problem of being kited (although he does better than Ursa, admittedly).
I think it's just that there is better heroes out there at being a strength pos 1.
He can carry for sure,bit harder hero to play than wk or so,feel like in my bracket no one can play hero well,but sometimes i had chance to support better players and its incredibly fun with no suprise hero but Io,his sprint finally got no extra dmg penalty and no one rly care about,which suprising me.
Ps: io getting that fancy 700 ms in river with him,good shit.
It is the old, there is always a better choice. If you really wanted slardar as your carry wouldn’t even a sven be better?
That's the other issue with slardar. He can do big damage per hit or have attack speed, but won't have both until uber late game.
Sven is better if you just want higher dps per single target and stronger against illusion based heroes.
Chaos Knight is better if you want to run a split push or illusion based dps comp.
Lifestealer is better if you want a carry that can melt tanks.
Slardar is a great utility hero, with his ult, and ability to blank in. He is a perfect P3/P4, but he is just too outclassed in the P1/P2 slot to really shine.
Lifestealer and ck are really different heroes, it's hard to compare. They bring different utility.
Sven I get the comparison since both slardar and sven probably build blink, both have move speed increases, on a position 1 slardar you probably buy battlefury and sven could get a basher if he wants to bash. They'd be really close to the same on everything except sven's ult makes him do a lot more dmg. Slardar's stun is slightly better with a much lower cd but it's melee range basically and sven's has a real range. Slardar is much speedier but doesn't get the bonus armor so I think sven's better there.
there is no reason to make him a carry. he has one spell that could potentially make him good with farm (bash), but everything is just utility to help out his team.
from my very small experience pos 1 slardar is really strong at armlet+blink+bkb timing, and then he falls off hard
you definitely dont want to go bfury and farm, i think utilizing his decent lane presence + rosh/solo kill potential with ult and tankiness with armlet + bkb is the best way to do it
He isn't the worst one, but he would function more like a pos 2 in the safelane, and after ur armlet blink bkb type items in the midgame u fall off real hard. Not sure maybe there is a secret itemization that is more optimal that I'm missing out on, but otherwise u don't scale well enough to carry hard as a pos 1, and if u were an offlaner u cud basically scale just as well if u were pos 1 imo
for the same reason he is rarely played as pos 3, its wasted farm.
the hero works perfetly well with just tranquils and blink.
you dont need armlet and bkb to take roshan fast, all you need is lvl 6 and a medaillon on your offlaner, roshan melts.
When I was playing dota allstars, slardar was always picked as position 1. You just couldn't escape from him. Armlet + blink + bkb + ac = gg. Now, he is even better than he was before. However, his main weakness is his farm speed. Thus, ppl go position 3 or roam.
Even with his cool talents you only need his ulti and stun. So, positions 4 and 3 are perfect match.
Why not pick a better carry(who can farm fast) and let your offlane slardar stun and ult enemy heroes? Hmm?
There was a patch where we saw pos 1 slardar in the pro scene. That was the fun era of super tanky strength carries. The hero is honestly not a bad carry at all it's just that having him as a pos 4 that just repeatedly blink stuns in fights is so strong. He doesn't function that much different when played carry as opposed to being played as a pos 3 or 4, he just right clicks after stunning instead of backing out to re initiate.
literally everything was position 1 in dota 1. people had no concept of roles back then and just laned any two heroes together and fought for farm.
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I didn't mean the early dota.
I kinda meant CM mode where ppl would draft heroes. I would go offlane to stay 3x3 with slardar carry.
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How come no one does this? His talents seem really good for building dmg, +25 dmg, bash dmg, attack speed, bash chance. With bash dmg and chance it increases his average dmg by 88 a hit.
With battlefury and sprint he seems like he could farm plenty fast enough.
Pros will never run it, just like they don't run position 1 wraith king, but pubs run heroes like wk and dk position 1 frequently.