Also, his favorite item SnY is 400 gold more expensive for a fast tempo hero like him.
A couple of other actual buffs which while not making him viable would make him way better imo:
Rupture - make it have an initial damage component (old was 150/200/250 damage).
Bloodrite - increase AOE or lower the delay duration or better yet both - would mean rupture does more damage if they run out of it and make it more likely to hit so he actually gets off the silence/damage.
Bloodrage - remake it so that it applies globally so bloodseeker/Zeus becomes a combo again.
Bloodrage - reduce the self damage component while keeping the outgoing damage the same. Also improve the cast point.
Thirst - add the extra armour component back on to it.
Aghs needs to increase the cast range now since the cast range was nerfed recently for no reason. The aghs is honestly just shit. Heck making it automatically cast bloodrite at the point where a person is ruptured would be a more useful aghs upgrade than just two charges on a 40 second cooldown. Change that hopeless -6 second bloodrite cooldown talent into a rupture has 2 charges is better - that way you have to choose between the extra damage/ms from thirst or the extra soft CC from rupture.
Int gain needs to be buffed since the genius kept reducing the bloodrite cooldown the same while keeping his intelligence low and recently nerfed rupture by increasing the mana cost.
We don't need bs back he had his time, he doesn't need like 15 buffs at once for that to happen
Think abt ur leshrac point, it only took like a couple of changes to make this hero viable.
Bloodseeker has always been about Thirst. And pros can't make it work. If they will, BS will be cancer for pubs. So shitty Blood-rite/Rupture buffs are what we'll be getting for a while.
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i think old thirst was a bit broken in pubs. not sure if he was getting pick alot in pro play during 6.85 but in pubs he was cancer. I think he needs some indirect buffs. I've been pub stomping with him again recently because of some of the buffs But ill agree its not enough... I think he needs a bloodrage buff... lvl one just doesn't give as much heal as it used to. Maybe if rupture was more usefull? I think instead of bringing back old thirst we should focus on making his other spells better. Like what if bloodrite also rooted people or slowed during cast time?? what if rupture silenced or broke passives or even bring back rupture dealing initial damage ?? maybe increase thirst linger time even more?
also his talents need buffs increase in rupture dmg is useless compared to lifesteal and bloodrite dmg compared to hp is also useless
One easy fix to get BS competitive play. have bloodrite cancel TPs. I think that’s all you would have to do.
why not simply reduce the delay time on bloodrite? ... its a powerful ability potentially but a 3s delay is just too damn much. It forces you to either use it only in conjunction with ulti or with another form of setup like Magnus RP for instance. But its really not that good on its own.
all these complaints come from the misunderstanding of BS being a core hero (pos 1 or 2). He is at most pos3 or 4. Deal with it.
Had the same idea as Nemesis. If it's too powerful to immediately have, make it a lvl 10/15 talent: "Bloodrite ministuns".
If not then we’re up for yet another TI with bloodseeker barely picked except by some tier 3 teams in the group stages for a few games.
Newbee picked bloodseeker so many times last TI, he was their bread and butter along with Shaman, Veno, Invoker etc. And they got to grand finals from the upper bracket so i woulnt exactly call them a tier 3 team.
In 6.84 patch at TI5 time he was picked a decent amount of times - 56, enough to be top 25th picked. https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/leagues/2733-the-international-2015/picks
Well behind QoP, Gyro and Lesh who were the top picks and bans by a country mile. Undying had more bans than even Leshrac who was number 2 and still had 98 picks, almost double bloodseeker.
Now Gyro was picked a heap at Epicentre. Lesh was picked a lot too. Bloodseeker was absent. Tells you there is something fundamentally flawed about the hero when after 17 straight buff changes (or 18-20 depending on how you view his talents and the addition of an aghs) and only 3 nerfs (rupture cast range and mana cost and -5 base movespeed) the hero is still completely absent from the professional scene while Leshrac is now back.
Lesh's lightning was buffed and buffed since it got its initial nerf - the damage is now at a halfway point between 6.84 and 6.85 values. It has more jumps. Cost less mana (though this was nerfed to be more expensive again last Thursday week given how strong he had been, it's cast animation is now even better 0.7->0.45), and he also has had a bunch of other buffs which also are of direct benefit to him including a movespeed now at 330 - up 10 from 6.84, split earth costs less mana, he has a talent which replaces what his aghs used to do giving him a more useful aghs (though its pretty shit since it only hits one unit and doens't bounce which is why none of the pros build it when you need items like euls, shivas, octarine, bkb, bloodstone etc instead).
@Storytime
"He is at most pos3 or 4. Deal with it."
In what way does he suit a pos 3 or 4 position? He provides nothing that a pos 4 can provide - no stuns or slows so no kill potential. No scouting ability for courier pick offs . He can provide a silence providing an enemy doesn't just run out of the spell area in the 3 second delay.
As a pos 3 he is similarly terrible. He has no lane suitability so can be easily zoned or killed. Similar to the pos 4 role he provides nothing at all with just levels, at best you have a potential 200 damage nuke/5 second silence on an enemy assuming it lands. No team fight winning ulti or initiation like proper pos 3s (tide, bat, brew, dark seer, clockwerk). Just run up to an enemy and stop them from moving for 12 seconds (assuming you even have a stun).
Look at how he was run at TI7. He was almost always run as a core, either played by the pos 1 or 2. He lost more of his games than not then btw, 44% winrate (35th lowest) and it's not like he was only being run by tier 3 teams. Newbee, OG, VP and Liquid all used him at some stages. Given all these teams played at Epicentre and he wasn't picked or banned once by them it's safe to say they aren't even considering using him at this stage. Unless there is some serious buffs to him in the next 3 months it's going to be yet another TI where bloodseeker gets shafted all because he happened to be semi strong in pubs 3 years ago - when he was only achieving a 55% winrate.
Meanwhile Spectre and Zeus are both currently sitting pretty on a pub average winrate of 59.5%, and Axe, Wraith King, Chaos Knight and Underlord are all sporting 55% pub winrates.
@Umbranox posted while I was typing this.
Points addressed in the para above. The teams that ran him, including Newbee, Liquid, OG and VP all played EpicCentre and all ignored him. Since TI7 played on patch 6.88 the addition of talents as well as other balance changes mean that Bloodseeker is much weaker compared to other heroes now.
Eg Gyro, top pick and ban carry of EpicCentre, won close to 60% of his matches. Death Prophet, mid carry, won 58%, Terrorblade (though he got nerfed last thursday as a result of how strong he had been doing), lifestealer, lycan, SF and Morphling are all carries which have positive winrates and high pick rates at Epicentre. What did Newbee run with rather than Bloodseeker? Why Gyro and Lifestealer at least twice, as well as slark, Medusa, Luna, TB, Razor, and SF.
^it is up to you to agree, but bs is more versatile than you describe him and he has everything for pos 3 and 4:
1. A skill to sustain himself and to fall to the jungle if offlane goes hard
2. A skill to buff the glasscannon in your team to be become a focking death star
3. A skill to deal with elusive hero in a teamfight
4. AoE silence: big as no other
5. Provides true vision of the <25% HP heros to finalize the chase (important stage of a teamfight). Alternative the vision can well used for globally present heros like invoker specter zeus
This list is so good and requires 0 items to be fully utilized. BS does not need to man fight to win a teamfight, especially because other heros do it so much better.
of course that bloodseeker gets picked once and this retard instantly pulls out 5000 words out of his ass regarding the topic in span of several hours
Since TI7 played on patch 6.88 the addition of talents as well as other balance changes mean that Bloodseeker is much weaker compared to other heroes now.TI7 was played during 7.06. 6.88 was TI6
there were other heroes that went unpicked at Epicenter... i dont see you ranting about those... or maybe its just that you personally like Bloodseeker so he NEEDS to be among the strongest...
as a bs player he is still strong he just need decent lategame talent. that 25% lifesteal is so shitty.
Always appreciate Arin’s contributions. They’re so well thought out and not at all violations of the Dotabuff code of conduct.
bloodseeker fucking sucks. can confirm i almost lost against enemy with 2 abandons on their team. because blood is that bad
I played Blood pos 4 several times
Start with OOV and Thirst, trade hits, heal up and go again. Bloodrage your lane guy and keep the enemy busy so he can heal up too.
Mid game, roam and spam Rupture as much as you can, if not, follow your pos 1, Bloodrage him all the time and stay around as a scout. HE WILL FARM SUPER FAST
i have >500 games on bs and not even sentimental for the hero. And yet my words on playing him semi support are never accepted because the hero attracts stupid alpha males with dunning cruger thing, who can only win an early game just to realize that they have nothing to rely on in a late game.... god help them to see their madness
Yes i too miss stomping,solo carrying games with bs leaving enemies become salty because he was just too OP for them to handle.6.83 i guess.
He was already a staple pick a year ago, and he fell back down in the meta. Let him get his buffs and he will eventually come back, there is no need to just buff him because ur sad that u can't spam him for free wins. He will get his eventual time as most heroes do.
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Tells you everything.
Leshrac has finally returned to the meta since 2015 and what did it take? Oh just basically undoing the nerf to his lightning in patch 6.84 which changed it from a cs/harass tool into a spell which did less damage at level 1 than his auto attacks.
As for bloodseeker he’s received a bunch of “buffs” to side and unrelated things, blood rage, bloodrite (and the dozen cooldown changes - brilliant for a hero who can’t cast more than a single rupture and 2 bloodrites before he is completely out of mana), rupture damage as well been buffed.
All that has done shit because his thirst is still complete trash. Not getting any extra damage at all until an enemy hero is at 75% hp means he rarely ever has extra damage in the landing phase. No extra damage in the laning phase means he can’t outlane an enemy by getting every cs and deny and healing off it.
The hero absolutely has to snowball from the early and midgame to win - if he falls behind or gets outfarmed he is beaten by basically every other hard carry in the game. Rupture as an ultimate does nothing more than ensure that an enemy doesn’t move much for 12 seconds. If your enemy is so far ahead that they can just stand and take the fight then the heroes only ultimate does nothing.
His thirst ability only provides extra damage once the enemy team starts losing HP - if his teams gets initiated on and can’t do any damage to the enemy before they die then he can’t fight at full strength - compared to basically every other carry who puts out full damage output from the start.
In a trilane he offers nothing and will get destroyed by the enemy if they run a trilane. Only place to run him is mid but without the extra damage from thirst to ensure he gets all the CS he can get outlawed easily by a ranged hero. Also being melee he is easy to gank mid. He also offers no CC or control other than a silence that might not even land. Small wonder why he went unpicked at Epicentre.
His talents are for the most part are pretty underwhelming. 75 bloodrite damage is a joke. 14% rupture damage is a joke because it does nothing if the enemy doesn’t run. 6 second cooldown bloodrite is a joke since he can’t cast it more than three times a fight before running out of mana. The other stat buffs are so so, extra damage/ms thirst at 25 to help him scale a bit better seems to be the only unique one
The aghs is terrible on carry bloodseeker and seems to be designed for if you are running him as a pos 3/4 and it’s blatantly obvious how bad he is for these role given his lack of any CC or lane survivability.
IMO if they genuinely want bloodseeker to be picked they need to undo the 6.85 nerf so he can genuinely win the early and mid game with his higher damage again. Move it back to a 100-0 scaling so he doesn’t get so massively big as in 6.84 while keeping the current damage scaling if they want. If not then we’re up for yet another TI with bloodseeker barely picked except by some tier 3 teams in the group stages for a few games. Sad.