Not really sure I understand why Blink and BKB are in your build for Arc Warden. Pike and SB/SE seem like better choices most of the time.
On the question asked, I know I'm 3K compared to your 4K(just throwing it out there because of the number of people lately who've been complaining about lower MMR giving advice to higher), but looking at it, Nullifier seems better, because it's cheaper and lower CD. Coupled with orchid/bloodthorne, your target is pretty immobilized anyways.
If u have orchid might as well go nullifier since they work so well together
Bkb is also rlly situational and so is blink
I'd get hex if u want the instant disable against an am with manta or smth who can manta off the orchid before nullifier lands
always hex. Nullifier is not as good in disabling the enemy as hex.
nullifier only if there are some heavy passives you need to get rid of.
Blink/Shadow blade functions almost the same for me, shadow blade is great in pub bcoz it force opponent to spend money for sentry. Blink sometime in place for shadow blade for positioning, just like DK? and BKB if opponents got control, no?
Oh yeah, 3K or 4K i think it's just that u spam ur comfortable heroes, but u may be 7k in ARC compare to me 1k in arc.
Fo what I understand is that nullifier + orchid can have 5 sec effect, but hex is 3.5 sec, while giving mana pool and mana regen. In the meanwhile Nullifier give dmg. I plan to play more Arc, and I am wondering about the item choice between these two..
Arc Warden doesn't really rely on mana in the later stages of the game. The +35 int is decent for spell amp on your mjollnir lightning, but nothing to build around. The +10 strength and agi aren't worth the cost.
If your micro is on point, I guess you can make the claim that you can essentially shut down the whole enemy team with scythe; ideally, sheep the 2 cores, orchid silence the 2 supports, whereas with nullifier you're only going to guarantee complete lockdown on 2 heroes (nullify+orchid on one hero to keep them down). I'm no expert on this. I just think that nullifier would be more suitable, many may disagree. I just feel that silver edge+nullifier+bloodthorne all but gives the same effect as a scythe anyways.
The main argument for nullifier is the dmg
I find that against tanky enemies arc Warden kinda needs the raw dmg
Blink =/= sb
Sb allows you to threaten and take map control, blink is much more abt jumping on a backliner or important target imo
go for necro 3, drums, vlads and helm.. gg ez
make another thread if you want to post proof there should be an ignore function
thank you guys so much for ur opinions! really appreciate it..
As of "nullifier only if there are some heavy passives you need to get rid of.", I don't quite understand how nullifier can break passive, isn't that the function of silver edge?
Honestly sometime as a Storm, I am indecisive between 1) Nullifier and 2) Hex though!!
There is a projectile on nullifier, it is dodgeable, but against an AM orchid + nullifier is good, else as a storm I always go for hex as this item compliment storm a lot better with int, mana regen and mana pool, and hex is not purgeable now.
I am starting to find fun in playing Arc, when come to 4th/5th item build, if I already had an orchid, i am not so sure about which scenario is best for nullifier / hex or the other way round. I am aware that every game is different, like butterfly is a good 5th item, sometime MKB is necessary also..
Nullifier mutes items btw, not passives, which is why it makes a good fit with silence making it a good disable to keep all the enemy target button's greyed out
Kaya
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+ 16 Intelligence
+ 10% Spell Amplification
+ 10% Manacost and Manaloss Reduction
Multiple instances of this item do not stack.
I think that only the manacost/manaloss reduction doesn't stack, the int and spell amp do
^yes true, but with lens it was still only +30% amplif when all 6 sloted, now 60% is just too crazy, and i am sure there would be some youtube videos abusing it
60%? My calculations are closer to 77% :/
1*110%*110%*110%*110%*110/*110%
And 77% doesn't sound like much, granted that's all of your item slots
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Hello guys, I hope to get some opinions from Arc players here. After Mjollnir, BOT, Blink, BKB, Bloodthorn, I am thinking between Scythe and Nullifier for Arc Warden. Which one is better? and in which situation we should get which? Your attention is much appreciated!