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General DiscussionKaya on Enigma?

Kaya on Enigma? in General Discussion
Dark Hunter

    Is kaya ever justified on Enigma?

    Pros:
    High damage output.
    Kill almost anyone in combination with ags
    less mana usage (altough mana isnt really a problem for enigma except very early before manaboots)
    Less reliant on team followups

    Cons:
    Takes up a needed slot.
    Delays key items like blink, greaves, octarine/refresher
    would require ags to be super effective

    I've actually never bought it in a game. I'm just wondering what you people think about it.

    I tried it in demo mode when it released and didnt seem to boost midnight pulse, but now it does.

    Scarifar

      Probably not worth the slot/gold for it. Mana's not an issue like you said, and 10% spell amp ain't worth the gold imo. Just go with the usual blink-bkb stuff.

      Bungmangler

        Besides storm, what other heros are people commonly picking up Kaya as a core item

        Tinker, Phenoix, Lina Pugna?

        Grimm

          leshrac ?
          timber sometimes
          cm, lina with agha, puck ?
          a farmed rubick with the +70% spell amp talent
          techies, viper, zeus, venomancer, willow

          Dark Hunter

            Okay, thanks guys.

            What about radiance?

            Abbi

              I wouldn't get it, it doesn't help you do anything in particular. The only time I got it (for example) on CM was when I was already winning hard and I didn't need any defensive item after glimmer. But at that point I think I would have won anyway, that game was a complete stomp. So I guess you can get it if you are stomping, but at that point you could even buy a Meteor Hammer to help with the final push and call it a day.

              CP3

                Kaya only adds around ~60 dmg to your blackhole

                Radiance is very viable if you're getting a lot of farm and want to push stronger. And when you use blackhole it deals up to 240 dmg. But its an item you should only go for in very specific situations where you have a huge lead.

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                unbreakable spirit

                  Imo if you have some spammable abilities go for Kaya, Kaya became a core on some heroes coz they have abilities which is spammable, I don't think it's for enigma, nothing wrong with trying though.

                  Abbi

                    Dunno about Radiance, I guess you could pick it up when you had a super good early game that allows you to get it quickly, or mid game if you have the gold and only need more damage. I see both Radiance and Kaya as "win more" items (with Radiance being vastly superior of course), but what do I know, i'm archon for a reason

                    Grimm

                      don't you want to get lotus, shivas and greaves on enigma more than radiance ?
                      You get farmed by getting kills in teamfights, so a farming item won't help you much

                      KillStealKing

                        i play enigma pretty often and have done what you are saying with the kaya or radiance. It's fun, but you miss the point of enigma. Your goal is always getting black hole off and not getting it interrupted. Items that help with positioning, and defensive items are superior and help you reach that goal. Blink, Bkb, Linkens, Force, Shadowbalde(lategame), Refresher(very important), stuff that lets you get the ult off and have it available. Midnight pulse does enough damage on its own and you have to rely on your team to follow up. Smart teams play around your ulti, but that goes for your opponents as well. They will push or take objectives with black hole down, but if you have the golden 3 items (Blink, Bkb, Refresher) they always have the fear of blackhole.

                        Dark Hunter

                          ^sometimes its impossible to rely on your bh though. If they have a silencer that always stays in the back for example. But i do agree that focusing on team items is more important. When i cant reliably get my ult off even with bkb/linkens i usually go heavy utility. and sometimes radiance in those cases. Greaves is actually insanly op. as it purges silence. I like to get just greaves if they dont have many disables.

                          Refresher over octarine?

                          Peekaboo

                            Whenever i see someone post a thread like this, i always think to myself.

                            Assuming neither team is stomping, you're playing mid..

                            would you ever want to click on your enigma and see a kaya over a blink, mek, bkb etc etc.
                            If you awnser was no, then you shouldnt build it, if you said yes then go ahead.

                            for my enigma that has been Afk for the first 10mins of the game, i would really hope the mofo would have some game impact and thats a quick way to get reported