there are more con than pro if you merge solo and party MMR which should never be done.
stop comparing FPS games with MOBA games. they have different way of measuring your skill and abilities to play the game.
if your party MMR > your solo MMR, it should be quite easy for you to reach the same number.
Merging solo and party MMR will ended up making the game unbalanced. you also need to take account of what role in game does one usually play, there are players that are only good with support or offlane heroes but play like shit at midlane like me. i only played mid when i queueing in party with my friends because noone of them are mid player. i pick Invoker every game in party and ended up losing like 70% of my games. its different when i play FPS game where i can solo carry my team by only using only one type of gun available.
tldr, party mmr is only for fooling around(having fun) with friends.
Look I'm not saying that party mmr is shit it's just that a lot of players are boosted/carried to high mmr
But the boosted players say like 1k player with 1k gameplay is boosted to 4k will learn a lot by playing with high skilled players and his gameplay will increase to 3k probably then that player can focus boosting solo which he could easily boost From 1k to 3k but playing party till a certain mmr is OK (till 5k) afterwards it's useless to play as that player's gameplay had changed so he should focus on solo rather than party
@marlan you didn't understand what I wrote - 5 different boostees give their accounts to a boosting company who then proceed to play as a 5-stack and boost 5 accounts simultaneously. makes boosting a completely stress-free occupation. it'd be a lot more efficient than 5 boosters playing on their own in solo queue.
anyway, there's loads of ways it is stupid idea merging mmrs even if you pretend otherwise.
the most telling is that 99% of people would want the higher of their two mmrs to be the one used in matchmaking.
ive never in my life encountered a good player who thinks party mmr means anything
theyre always garbo and usually they fail in solo queue because their team holds them back or whatever, but they still think they are more skilled than their ranking
What I'm saying is party mmr is OK till u get ancient 5 medal but afterwards it's just useless playing party though someone could make his party 7k and get matched with pros while playing party
And merging party and solo is shit makes no sense and valve would never do it so it's useless arguing about it
What would be nice but god knows how it could be implemented without ruining matchmaking would be if each unique party combo got its own MMR (rather than giving a party mmr to each player) would make for some nice camaraderie in parties I think.
^What JDF8 said is true. I saw a guy make a reddit post about his party mmr being 7k before recalibration and he was pissed about not being able to translate his party mmr into his rank. He said that his solo mmr is around 4k but he didnt play solo for a long time. Im really interested about what happened with that dude after the patch. If he really deserved to play at a level where his party mmr was he'd grind up to at least 6k in no time. But i doubt he is anywhere near the level of a 7k player he thinks he is.
Solo and party should always be apart. No matter where you look at it Solo mmr is the only way to show your skill at winning a pub games. Party is just good to have so you can just have fun in a game with friends and improve together. Party mmr is more about your skill as a team with your friends, being able to plan and show mmr base on your combo together. Solo however is where your skill as an individual shine in the game. I have a higher Solo MMR than my party MMR, I feel like only using my best heroes in solo, while in party is where i use to experiment new heroes, testing out the combos and chemistry of the hero.
if anyone really believes party mmr is important then show me the guys who turned pro from making a name for themselves at the top of the party mmr leaderboard.
everyone knows solo mmr is the real representation of how dogshit everyone is.
Still, we guys are debating about account boosting??? And that party MMR is basically always boosted. As you play with friends of varying skill... I would say that Solo queue is way more random than the party setting. In a party setting there is communication, there is a plan and you are always playing against similar teams. Basically this is more what Dota should be than the random confusion the solo queue is.
Why is your skill playing with random people way more respected than playing in a semi organized team??? Is TI played in public match making??? I kind of thought the top pinnacle of the pyramid was a team event and not a bunch of pub games? There are 5 people in a Dota team, right? Why don't just the 5 top MMR people in the world make up a team that would just stomp every event they went to? And get rich while doing it... If it was this simple, I bet someone would have done this like 5 years ago.
So I could argue that these "solo MMR is the only true ranking" people are just completely wrong. And this is why the whole argument is moot... And this is why combining the two rankings wouldn't make that much of a difference... Neither one of the rankings matter all that much. So there is nothing that is off limits when talking about this and what they can do about this.
Don't get too upset about this posting, it was written very tongue in cheek, only as a counter argument to the general consensus I sort of agree with. Nothing changes if we don't ruffle the feathers and that was the whole point of this thread. Now, go murder me below.
there are more con than pro if you merge solo and party MMR which should never be done.
stop comparing FPS games with MOBA games. they have different way of measuring your skill and abilities to play the game.
if your party MMR > your solo MMR, it should be quite easy for you to reach the same number.
Merging solo and party MMR will ended up making the game unbalanced. you also need to take account of what role in game does one usually play, there are players that are only good with support or offlane heroes but play like shit at midlane like me. i only played mid when i queueing in party with my friends because noone of them are mid player. i pick Invoker every game in party and ended up losing like 70% of my games. its different when i play FPS game where i can solo carry my team by only using only one type of gun available.
tldr, party mmr is only for fooling around(having fun) with friends.
Look I'm not saying that party mmr is shit it's just that a lot of players are boosted/carried to high mmr
But the boosted players say like 1k player with 1k gameplay is boosted to 4k will learn a lot by playing with high skilled players and his gameplay will increase to 3k probably then that player can focus boosting solo which he could easily boost From 1k to 3k but playing party till a certain mmr is OK (till 5k) afterwards it's useless to play as that player's gameplay had changed so he should focus on solo rather than party
@marlan you didn't understand what I wrote - 5 different boostees give their accounts to a boosting company who then proceed to play as a 5-stack and boost 5 accounts simultaneously. makes boosting a completely stress-free occupation. it'd be a lot more efficient than 5 boosters playing on their own in solo queue.
anyway, there's loads of ways it is stupid idea merging mmrs even if you pretend otherwise.
the most telling is that 99% of people would want the higher of their two mmrs to be the one used in matchmaking.
ive never in my life encountered a good player who thinks party mmr means anything
theyre always garbo and usually they fail in solo queue because their team holds them back or whatever, but they still think they are more skilled than their ranking
B... but my party MMR is real high maaan
What I'm saying is party mmr is OK till u get ancient 5 medal but afterwards it's just useless playing party though someone could make his party 7k and get matched with pros while playing party
And merging party and solo is shit makes no sense and valve would never do it so it's useless arguing about it
^ and that's how I won vs. Miracle lul
Yup @Lea u get matched with pros but u ain't getting divine 5 mate u Should probably focus on solo
I mean now u can't even display ur party mmr on profile which makes it even worse
I wish valve made leaderboards for party mmr too but that's not possible so for me it's useless
Or we can remove party mmr altogether (coz lets be honest: party mmr is dogshit and cant be used to represent someone skill).
What would be nice but god knows how it could be implemented without ruining matchmaking would be if each unique party combo got its own MMR (rather than giving a party mmr to each player) would make for some nice camaraderie in parties I think.
wouldn't really work for you polyamorous types.
It's not up to us to remove party mmr it's up to valve and ur just saying that cuz ur party mmr is 2k be honest xD
Party mmr is a way for low skilled players to learn and get better by playing with high skilled players(although some games might get ruined)
^What JDF8 said is true. I saw a guy make a reddit post about his party mmr being 7k before recalibration and he was pissed about not being able to translate his party mmr into his rank. He said that his solo mmr is around 4k but he didnt play solo for a long time. Im really interested about what happened with that dude after the patch. If he really deserved to play at a level where his party mmr was he'd grind up to at least 6k in no time. But i doubt he is anywhere near the level of a 7k player he thinks he is.
Solo and party should always be apart. No matter where you look at it Solo mmr is the only way to show your skill at winning a pub games. Party is just good to have so you can just have fun in a game with friends and improve together. Party mmr is more about your skill as a team with your friends, being able to plan and show mmr base on your combo together. Solo however is where your skill as an individual shine in the game. I have a higher Solo MMR than my party MMR, I feel like only using my best heroes in solo, while in party is where i use to experiment new heroes, testing out the combos and chemistry of the hero.
if anyone really believes party mmr is important then show me the guys who turned pro from making a name for themselves at the top of the party mmr leaderboard.
everyone knows solo mmr is the real representation of how dogshit everyone is.
Still, we guys are debating about account boosting??? And that party MMR is basically always boosted. As you play with friends of varying skill... I would say that Solo queue is way more random than the party setting. In a party setting there is communication, there is a plan and you are always playing against similar teams. Basically this is more what Dota should be than the random confusion the solo queue is.
Why is your skill playing with random people way more respected than playing in a semi organized team??? Is TI played in public match making??? I kind of thought the top pinnacle of the pyramid was a team event and not a bunch of pub games? There are 5 people in a Dota team, right? Why don't just the 5 top MMR people in the world make up a team that would just stomp every event they went to? And get rich while doing it... If it was this simple, I bet someone would have done this like 5 years ago.
So I could argue that these "solo MMR is the only true ranking" people are just completely wrong. And this is why the whole argument is moot... And this is why combining the two rankings wouldn't make that much of a difference... Neither one of the rankings matter all that much. So there is nothing that is off limits when talking about this and what they can do about this.
Don't get too upset about this posting, it was written very tongue in cheek, only as a counter argument to the general consensus I sort of agree with. Nothing changes if we don't ruffle the feathers and that was the whole point of this thread. Now, go murder me below.
^to be fair you do have some valid points so no stone throwing from me.