s&y is fine, ac is good, bfly is okay depending on the situation, you can also always buy treads or moonshard.
How is SnY good on PA.
As it is one of my favorite items, I still don't see how it's good on one of my favorite heroes.
Mom is better than a flat mask but not sure if it's worth the extra 875 since it's best for farming cause blink is cast every 5 seconds.
I did build sny on some of my games and the payoff was decent, i didnt have problems going after enemy heroes and the additional str and maim from sange really helps i guess
sny is good when you want to get a little tankier for cheap, and you dont need a bkb. slow is always nice for a mele hero even if pa is already good at sticking to targets.
Moon shard / mkb if you just want Attack speed.Forgot to mention mjolnir
stop giving advice retard
I dont mjolnir is a good pa item in general its good but to build that item you have to first get maelstrom which is now taking up a slot. And when do you build that its pretty standard to try and get a deso or battle fury first already so unless you maelstrom as a first item id say it makes you a weaker carry because the lightnings doest really work well her play style. Its a 25% so you blink and get 4 fast hit then you get one proc maybe two if your rng is good but the your attack speed is gone you dont really have a lot of damage and the stats for it arent really there in terms of what pa needs. The item is good and maybe someone else should carry it on the team like a sniper who can then give the active buff to PA which does benefit her since she'll be in the heat of the fight. But for a pa to build it seems a little pointless when theres better stuff out there.
On another note i do think sny would be good because it can be disasembled late game and be crafted into a quick manta and halberd for evasion and disable the enemy carry when you go in if the situation arrises.
Thats just my opinion though
The question is Attack speed items for pa. unless those items do not give Attack speed, the only retard here is you.
Sny gives attack speed and so does manta if you go route. Those items just have better stats as well for Pa and manta's active could also help pa if bkb were on cool down or wanting to dodge a projectile
hey guys what damage item is good on sniper oh whats that radiance gives damage so buy that i guess haha
There's different types of damage mechanics that make your analogy completely redundant. On the other hand, Attack speed is very straight forward Mechanic and there are only a handful of items that actually augment your Attack speed directly.
There's reallly no debate here, retard.
That's basically the only other thing you have to consider. And the only relevant candidate being butterfly (65 Attack speed, 5525 gold).
This is vs. moon shard (120, 4000 gold) vs. mjolnir (80, 5700 gold) vs Mkb (60, 4200 gold).
It's clear which items are superior here
pa needs 120 raw attackspeed for what, exactly. when items like sny ac etc exist and have secondary effects that actually matter
mkb is never an item you buy for dps on pa, but for accuracy. there is 0 synergy between pierce procs and crit
this is a dumb discussion because pa doesnt need attackspeed until probably her third fourth item or later, and she definitely doesnt need 120 of it lmao. thats negative synergy with phantom strike, and if you rubbed your 2 brain cells together you’d realize that
Looks like someone is forgetting the point of the topic. Reminder: Attack speed for pa.
Let's see here, why does pa need 120 Attack speed? Why does pa need 32 Attack speed is probably the more relevant question when you have your Blink strike already.
Sny 3900 gold, 32 Attack speed.
Compared with power treads giving 35 Attack speed for 1350. Just get treads if 30 Attack speed is so good on pa. lmao
AC 5250 gold for 55 Attack speed with supposedly "useful" secondary abilities which PA doesnt need, vs aforementioned 4000 gold Attack speed items like MKb And moon shard. And then again that's not even the point of this comparison. You throw words around like "negative synergy" with blink but then any Attack speed item would according to you have negative synergy. While you totally ignore the foremost important part of that ability being blink and not necessarily the Attack speed. Whic is why you don't get MOM unless to farm.
What a marvellous example of critical thinking.
Looks like someone is forgetting the point of the topic. Reminder: Attack speed for pa.
“WHAT ARE THE BEST ATTACK SPEED ITEMS FOR PA?” != most attack speed
you shouldnt be buying any item explicitly for the purpose of increasing attack speed on pa, except as an extremely late purchase. Best attack speed item for pa, not item with best attack speed for pa
thats why you can’t parse that moonshard isnt the most op amazing item ever on pa, it gives you literally nothing, just pissing away 4000 gold.
Here’s a real build, tard. Phase aquila morbid deso mom basher bkb nullifier/satanic into abyssal. You rosh with deso mom and the game’s fucking over.
I’m sure you’re farming your vlads moonshard mjolnir meme machine or whatever at 300 gpm, removing your midgame window you have where your hero is unstoppable and replacing it with the ability to crit for 500 damage with 15k net worth
Out of all the items you mentioned,
Only one is an Attack speed item, and it's the wrong one because of (as you put it) negative synergy with the hero. It doesn't allow you to blink.
I'm not saying your core items are bad. But sometimes pa needs Attack speed (More procs for crits, and less reliance on cd for "w"). And in that case, you go for the recommended Attack speed items which can help you deal a shitton of damage (in the case of mjolnir). You can go for it after bkb if you're that hard up about item order.
But to say it doesn't do damage is downright wrong.
Out of all the items you mentioned,
Only one is an Attack speed item
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https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/phantom-assassin/guides
theres about 8 mantas, 4 mkbs, 4 butterflies, a couple ACs. One moonshard
reminder: the question was, what is the BEST attack speed item for PA
First,
Sample size.
Also,
Feel free to copy other players instead of thinking for yourself. The majority of players in dotabuff seem to take kindly to similar religious approaches to their item builds.
If you find you must buy an expensive item that provides additional addons that are not very useful to PA, in order of importance, butterfly>AC>manta.
Butterfly isn't that bad. It gives some damage as well. it's just that it is expensive for what it provides. Most agi carries would get it because it gives evasion. Which pa doesn't need.
Mjolnir is simply much more superior Attack speed item (which pa needs) and it provides a lot of damage than either butterfly or ac.
AC is really a pointless and expensive item that no PA should ever get. It gives crap Attack speed and the only benefit is to Hopefully give aura to your supports who won't even be near you as you jump around in fights. Armour reduction? Static lightning doesn't care about amour.
ah, of course. why would i look at professional players when there is a herald smurf to indoctrinate me in the glories of mjolnir pa
nothing says insight like “static lightning doesn’t care about armor”, when you’re playing a hero that is 99% physical damage
PA doesn't need a Butterfly or MKB, but if you can forgo a BKB, they're worth mentioning and if you're rich, absorbing a Shard is worth it, altho that's a Luna-only six slot strat tbh. Late game, you'll start needing more stuns rather than raw attack speed and if people throwing BKBs around, PA can't do much without durability. AC is almost always a good item for you and your team.
Point is if countered well PA has very less to play anyway.
?
"99% physical carries" who like to get mjol:
jugg
Drow
Sniper
Bloodseeker
Medusa
Wraith king
I mean i could go on. Care to examine that logic again?
Am I crazy or is HanSolo actually right in quite a few points?
Pls show us your real account already ffs.
Btw, on topic, is it wrong that I play PA like a weird version of AM? Battlefury into manta, basher and finally butterfly? I was doing this before this 7.07 battlefury patch btw, I know "every melee carry goes battle fury now".
Op should mention properly "what are the best attack speed as well as which of them provide good stats too" it's not just abt attackspeed it's about stats as well
As u know i guess mkb had damage+attack speed before but they removed attack speed in mk patch and in this patch it has only attack speed and 70% chance of piercing through evasion with bonus damage it doesn't have true strike anymore so I go mkb in rare situation only
Some times I go silver edge on pa too depending on situation
As silver edge gives attack speed,stats,escape item and break items
But I only go for it when my team doesn't have break item and enemy heroes got passives like bb timber etc
Else items like manta AC and SNY are fine
Even blood thorn is good
Etd, this account isn't any less real than other accounts that I might have. I play just as seriously (or half seriously). This is just the account I post with currently.
@HanSolo you and ur retarded friend should be permanently banned from Dota 2 and from ever posting on these forums
I admit I was having a little more fun than usual since it was a party. But there's perfectly sound logic behind those choices, as I had already explained before and am tired of explaining.
What amuses me is that his friend states that
2k and 4k are same
xD literally fell from my chair after seeing this...
When God was putting brains inside humans maybe he forgot to put it in those two xD
Well.. 2k and 4k are the same, is a very complex topic and the statement itself is usually contentious and cannot be agreed upon easily. So I don't really understand what you are getting at by bringing that up
bf on weaver LOL, wtf????? Mionir on Pa bro really??? Yes pick moon if you want just attack speed pick mionir and lose game maybe you will get 0.1s per hit but these items are ussles. Wait did i see mom on weaver?? best build try glimer too 100% bellive me.
I don't think you are in a position to laugh at a build with only 30 games on the hero. You're probably experimenting as much as I am. Battlefury isn't half bad if people can get over the fact that its not just a cleave item. But most people are not flexible or intelligent enough to wrap their minds around that concept.
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Sometimes i build ac or mkb depending on the situation but what is the best attack speed item for pa? Tried SnY got flamed by my teammates even though we won, also tried manta which was really good.